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    Francis
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    From the Victorians and Ruskin’s accusation that Whistler was “asking two hundred guineas for throwing a pot of paint in the public’s face” to the Moderns and the New York Times' dismissal of Rauschenberg’s work as “stylish doodles”, there is a

    #9933

    gbl
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    What a 'belter' of column inches! A full-on front cover story – in colour too! That doesn't happen often, and is just the sort of thing needed for him to help further kick-open the door of the 'mainstream' British art establishment.Ok, so its not that complimentary, and yes, theres the usual Lenkiewicz soundbites such as; embalmed tramp - many mistresses - 10,000 paintings etc, but it is seemingly harmless biography up until Tom Lubbock has his say - only 4th in line to an imagined exhibition at the Tate! - not too bad though (and he's placed him above Vettriano, which is at least a hidden compliment). I think its good, prime broadsheet coverage overall, and he did'nt even have too much of that even when he was alive! And, as Oscar Wilde once said.... "Theres only one thing worse than being talked about - and that is; not being talked about at all"!I raise my glass to it!

    #9934

    marlowe
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    What a 'belter' of column inches! A full-on front cover story - in colour too! That doesn't happen often, and is just the sort of thing needed for him to help further kick-open the door of the 'mainstream' British art establishment.I raise my glass to it!

    Maybe you bought a different paper gbl.

    I think its good, prime broadsheet coverage overall, and he did'nt even have too much of that even when he was alive!

    I recall the same thing endlessly when he was alive.

    #9935

    gbl
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    Maybe you bought a different paper gbl.

    I can mainly see the 'positive' side of the article, and the advantage it will be to Robert's posthumous career! Pointless not to really! Need I ask what the point of moaning about load of free column inches is?

    I recall the same thing endlessly when he was alive.

    Could you recall the dates of any of these endless 'colour' suplements by any chance?

    #9936

    John
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    O.k I have been avoiding this site of late, trying to get on with my own work and move slowly out of ROL's shadow, but feel compelled to have a bit of a whinge here.Francis, good sound comments from yourself as usual I thought as much had happened with regards to the selection of imagery. Who isnt sick of that photo of robert straddling a chair surrounded by his devoted brunnettes. YAWN. Tom Lubbock is a prat. Anyone who compiles a top ten list of figurative artists needs shooting. PAULA F***NG REGO??????? Did everyone sleep through her last expo of rotten pastel studies with her oh so vigorous drawing? Lucian Freud? The man is the worlds most boring painter of posh girls in brown, and is retrieved by the art world by his youthful association with Bacon. Bacon in later life of course referrred to freuds work as 'Shit'. Not so 'School of London' are we now Lucian , are we? I particularly liked Lubbock's description of lenkiewicz'z practice as a means to an end. What exactly is Velazquez, Goya,Gericault,Van gogh? Robert never ever claimed he was making high art. Lubbock has no clue what he is talking about, and from my encounters with him he strikes me as a lecherous and predatory drunk. I think he was pissed whilst he wrote this crap article. I had to laugh about the bridal magazine bit though ,anyone else know paula rego's paintings of brides? Since when did anybody let jojo anywhere near ROL's reputation? I said it years ago and I will say it now that man is nothing other than a damaging dangerous and idiotic 19th rate journalist ( I believe journalists unlike artists can actually be put on a ranking system) I liked the way he used the opp to plug his stupid little play, and his increasingly boring photography project. Last but not least , I thought Francis had left the forum? Are you still on TFL? Are you allowed to talk to us ingrates?

    #9937

    marlowe
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    Could you recall the dates of any of these endless 'colour' suplements by any chance?

    I can certainly remember the Express, The Mail and The Telegraph covering Robert around the time of the Birmingham show in a similar fashion. Then there was Daniel Farson of course - is that enough for now?

    #9938

    jojo
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    “I said it years ago and I will say it now that man is nothing other than a damaging dangerous and idiotic 19th rate journalist (I believe journalists unlike artists can actually be put on a ranking system) I liked the way he used the opp to plug his stupid little play, and his increasingly boring photography project.”Hello, one and all, did you miss me?I couldn't let the above attack go by without a

    #9939

    John
    Participant

    O.K , fair enough Jojo, sorry I didn't get your job description correct. However I find it fairly worrying that you are deluded enough to believe that only yourself and Francis are the only individuals doing 'anything' (whatever that means)towards awareness of ROL in the big bad world outside of plymouth. What about the guy who spent 100 something grand on bishop startled? Oh , I guess the man in the red scarf is probably more beneficial to an awareness of ROL's work in the greater (global) marketplace.(cough cough). As a man of many literary talents such as yourself,( I have never read your column but I'm sure the editor of the Herald isnt going to employ just any old tom Dick or Harry) you couldn't have found another adjecive other than 'crap' nor take the chance to explain rol's approach to painting? Was it the idiot journalist? Did SHE make you say that jojo? Did she hold a gun to your head and MAKE you spout off like a big brother contestant?

    #9940

    marlowe
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    Francis exhibition at Ben Guri was featured

    i think this is where you've got it wrong Jojo. I think you'l find it's ROBERT'S exhibition (and it's the Ben Uri as far as I understand).And perhaps you'd tell us all exactly which of Robert's paintings you find "crap"? And why?

    #9941

    jojo
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    Look guys, I don't know everything that is going on, all I know is that a year ago there didn't seem to be much, so I decided to do something. I'll happily answer the question about which ones of Robert's paintings I think our crap, and I know from previous discussions with the previous foundation members when they were trying to disuade me from photographing certain people with their pictures because of the quality, that I am not alone in my view. But I will do that when you tell me what's wrong with admitting that some of Robert's work was poor compared to those pieces which were outstanding. I also want to make it very clear I am not aligning myself as a crusader of Robert's for all time. I will get involved whenever I can, or when ever I am asked but if I'm not then these two projects will be my only contribution to celebrating Robert. I believe the views I expressed in the interview to be an honest response to the questions put to me and as long as critics, (not just the independents but all those who I have seen on various documentarys about Robert's work)also, acknowledge that some of Robert's work is poor, it will seem strange and deluded to have a small group of disciples screaming that all he ever did was fantastic and that he is the mesiah. Robert condemned his painting at various times in his life, what is wrong with an honest response to his work, for me his flaws make his masterpieces all the more poiniont. Sorry for the spelling but I can't figure out how to check it, but that's the only apology you'll get from me.

    #9942

    sartre
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    Look guys, I don't know everything that is going on

    Obviously.

    all I know is that a year ago there didn't seem to be much, so I decided to do something.

    That's not reason enough.

    But I will do that when you tell me what's wrong with admitting that some of Robert's work was poor compared to those pieces which were outstanding.

    Because, Jojo, no-one asked you if Lenkiewicz's work was uneven. Your comment was gratuitous; a non-sequitur. Does your CV say that sometimes your work is "crap, if I'm not really into it"? Thought not.Because at the moment people promoting Robert Lenkiewicz are fighting an uphill battle to counter the tabloid image the art establishment has of him, and your comments were unhelpful. How to get funding for a permanent home for (what remains of) his library and the paintings unless his reputation as a serious artist is established? You cheerfully volunteered your opinion that some of Lenkiewicz's work was "crap, if he wasn't really into it".

    #9943

    jojo
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    The question I was asked was what do you think of Robert's work, I stand by the answer I gave.Who are you to say that because there wasn'tmuch going on is not reason enough for me to do something!!!!And to read this chatroom, one could be forgiven for thinking there is a cult of Robert with certain people publically shouting about his brilliance whilst privately admitting some images are weak. I believe that that standpoint is ultimately distructive because people can see for themselves that he created a mixed bag, as demonstrated by the half finished works used to ilustrate the independant's article.My view is independent and impartial, what is more important to me is how Robert touched the lives of so many people not how good or bad particular paintings may or may not be. I am celebrating him as a unique, usually generous and compassionate person, allbeit with some frailties. His paintings only make up one element of each photograph in the book and one fifth of the foundations of the play. You may have your own reasons for telling the world he was a master of the paintbrush, I have expressed my views on the subject. I was an aquantance of Robert's for more than twenty years, and knew him in many capacities but only since starting these projects and talking to so many people from so many different aspects of his life have I got some measure of him.By the end of the autumn the book will be published and people will be able to see for themselves an example of the range and qualities in 100 examples of his work and read the comments of the people who sat for him about those paintings and their relationships to Robert.In December the play will be performed in Plymouth and if it goes according to plan, a regional tour or transfer to London may follow next year. The ultimate purpose of both these projects is to make people interested enough to find out more about Robert.

    #9944

    marlowe
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    what is more important to me is how Robert touched the lives of so many people not how good or bad particular paintings may or may not be.

    Surely that was your intelligent get out to the question?

    And to read this chatroom, one could be forgiven for thinking there is a cult of Robert with certain people publically shouting about his brilliance whilst privately admitting some images are weak. I believe that that standpoint is ultimately distructive because people can see for themselves that he created a mixed bag, as demonstrated by the half finished works used to ilustrate the independant's article.

    The big mistake you've made is not qualifying your bland "some are crap". By what standards? Some are less good/resolved/worked on. But only by his own standards!! Against almost any other contemporary figurative painter (including some named by Lubbocks)they're excellent. That's why the punters at Westpoint were still snapping them up!

    #9945

    art3366
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    An Old boss of mine would often say to me ” if you are in a

    #9946

    jojo
    Participant

    some approval, of sorts, from someone: thank you.as for having time to think about my answers the call came from out of the blue, the interview took place whilst I was looking after my three year old and was over as suddenly as it had started. With hindsight I may have rephrased the crap comment but the meaning would still have been the same, namely that Robert produced some work which was of a very poor standard in comparison to some of his great works.

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