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  • #9947

    marlowe
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    I've had my disagreements with Jojo but lets not make him the scapegoat and forget who was to blame for this cheap journalism in the first place. I admire you for writing art3366. It's a good idea and I'll do the same.

    #9948

    007
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    The Independent yesterday (19/05/08) published a response from 2 readers who after reading their article, felt obliged to reach for the portable: A painter shunned by the art worldSir: Your art critic, Tom Lubbock, was scathing about the achievements of Robert Lenkiewicz (Arts and Books Review, 16 May) . The painter used his prolific and flamboyant skills to prick the pomposity of bureaucrats, celebrate his idea of femininity and also, and most importantly, to draw our gaze to members of society who are often over-looked. His portrait of a mother in a yellow dress, her disabled son sprawled across her knee, is an image I'll never forget. As his work is assessed, it will show that he had far more to say than many of his "avant-garde" contemporaries whose offerings are seen as more fashionable. Heather DelanyMacclesfield, CheshireSir: "His technique is just a means to an end, efficiently and repetitively delivering certain effects, with no creative life" (Tom Lubbock on the late Robert Lenkiewicz). I should have thought this could apply to much of Picasso's later work, but then the art establishment would scream heresy at the expression of such views.John WhittonExeterSpeaking of poor later work, the same sort of criticism was levelled at “The King” - Elvis:“I had a letter recently suggesting that I should get drunk or something in my movies, but the type I’m making now are doing so well that it would be silly to change the formula – I’ve done eleven films and they’ve all made money. A certain type of audience likes me and it would be foolish to tamper with that kind of success”. “We shot Kissin’ Cousins in seventeen days, and I think that was the turning point in Presley films. Up until then, certain standards were maintained, but that was when we noticed that there was no rehearsal for all the numbers.” Lance LeGault, who appears in several Elvis films“It was getting harder and harder singing to the camera all day long. Let’s face it, when you have ten different songs for each movie, they can’t all be good. Eventually, I got tired of singing to turtles and guys I’d just beaten up.”“I prefer to think of them as members of a little country club I run. Most of them are my friends from back home, they’re not bodyguards. One is my accountant, another my travel consultant. I need a valet, a security officer and a wardrobe man with me nearly all the time”.

    #9949

    WILLIAM
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    Elvis Lenkiewicz.

    #9950

    marlowe
    Participant

    You see a strong connection between Lenkiewicz and Elvis, webweaver? (please without quotes).

    #9951

    007
    Participant

    Since you ask Marlowe:Lenkiewicz titled a painting in his Suicide exhibition “Elvis Presley.” Elvis, missing his mother, seemingly went rapidly downhill after Priscilla left him. I have no knowledge of the painting at all. Just that Robert has said he had no interest in Rock “n” Roll. Elvis's vast intake of drugs and hamburgers, and his resultant early death, was seemingly triggered by aesthetic withdrawal; very Spiritualized.

    #9952

    sartre
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    The question I was asked was what do you think of Robert's work, I stand by the answer I gave.

    Jojo, you work as a columnist. You work with WORDS. You could have done better.... couldn't you?

    Who are you to say that because there wasn'tmuch going on is not reason enough for me to do something!!!!

    If you drop the pretence that you're altruistically promoting Robert Lenkiewicz and admit that you're promoting Jojo I wouldn't have anything to say. Half the problems in the world are caused by people who "were only trying to help". In some countries more people die in road accidents from the "help" passers-by give them than are killed outright.

    And to read this chatroom, one could be forgiven for thinking there is a cult of Robert with certain people publically shouting about his brilliance whilst privately admitting some images are weak.

    Name one person here who has done this. There have been many discussions in this forum on the variability of ROL's output;

    #9953

    jojo
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    That's the nub of it really, I do not care about Robert's place in the art world, I am not fighting to pursuade people that he was the reinacarnation of Rembrandt as someone has mentioned to me they believe, or that he was in anyway average. As I mentioned I believe he created some fantastic pieces and some, i'll say it again, crap ones. In many ways he is just like Elvis, who has the diehard supporters, who collect everything they can afford and will hear nothing negative said against him, the others with the polar oppisite view who think he is irrelevant to contemporary art, and the majority of the people who share my view that he produced some excellent work while others were highly flawed. I leave it to the public to determine his worth by the market value oif his pieces that come up for auction and the critics to expand their views which may or may not be relevant to that oppinion. Robert is often quoted denegrating his own work: “I'm the best bad painter I know” not wanting to be called an artist but a social enquirier, declaring he would rather loose a dozen paintings then a single book, etc. As I mentioned, in both my projects Robert's art is only one part of the picture I draw, you fight to have him annointed the next “King”, if you want. I am promoting Robert as a fascinating man, who touched the lives of many people, and yes I am promoting Robert, I have an exhibition of my own photographic work next week, my column is all about me, I don't need to jump on Robert's shoulders to do that, (according to him it's quite crowded up their anyway) One of the problems wth the things which you say are sorely missed:the challenging paintings and his observations on the human condition, is access, whilst I refer heavily to his interest and observations in the play, I guess until his notebooks and those of his lovers are in the public domain it will be difficult to further this. I believe many will be closed for many years to protect the identity of people who were involved with him in secret, the more challenging paintings is interesting: do you mean ones featuring those who normally exist in the shadows: the vagrants, disabled, elderly etc, I guess the problem is the public have to be in the mood to be challenged: why is the forthcoming exhibition one on self portraits: won't that just make the public think Robert was narsisistic. I guess you can find fault in what ever one tries to do, but it has got to be better to try to do something: even if more people die as a result of having medical treatment at a traffic accident, if a crash happens before you are you really going to stand there and watch as the person evaporates before your eyes, or as Robert would say, vacates the premises? I had to do something, by the end of the year both my projects may have reached their conclusion (if I can't find the backing to tour the play beyond Plymouth) and that will be me having done my bit, my hope is that people who experience either wikll want to find out more about Robert, his art, his philkosophies and his life.

    #9954

    marlowe
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    That's the nub of it really, I do not care about Robert's place in the art world.....my hope is that people who experience either wikll want to find out more about Robert, his art, his philkosophies and his life.

    Why do you hope that Jojo? - And have you considered the dangers of putting people off?

    #9955

    CID
    Participant

    Quote from jojo's weblog: "I was going to write about my ability to piss people off but I think that is too negative. Anybody who finds fault with me is simply suffering from some form of deep emotional problem that they are projecting onto their relationship with me. I am all right it is the rest of the world that has the problem! ..."[img]http://bp3.blogger.com/_8rk6msKiSnc/R5fRZ5wDrkI/AAAAAAAAASg/XBd4sWpLfNE/s400/PB260003.JPG[/img] Quote from jojo's weblog: "Well actually, if I'm honest, I couldn't give a rat's arse what you think of me! I'd like to think my words engaged you on some level and that I brought a smile to your face but If I didn't I don't really care. My motifs have been purely selfish. My scribblings, an out pouring of thoughts and reported history to anyone bored enough to listen....."You are accused mr jojo sir of being a self serving, publicity seeking idiot ... by your own words.We at the cyber station have some sympathy with your struggle against a difficult medical condition, realisation of mortality and absurd quest for some sort of fame but TLF need another loose cannon on deck like Gordon Brown a by-election ....

    #9956

    jojo
    Participant

    Well done CID, for taking the trouble to track down an old entry on a now defunct weblog, the reason I closed it down was because I realised I was coming up with crap like this. My entry as an aspiring blogger (nothing more than a hobby) and my professional work in theatre and photography are miles apart, but thanks for posting the picture, rather a good likeness don't you think? If you read the entries on this site, you'll see that the people talking about Jojo are you guys, I'm talking about Robert and the projects I am building to celebrate him.I find it interesting that your response to my questions to do with Robert is to talk about me... But let's try again, in terms of loose cannons, don't you think that Robert was one and in many instances the description: his own worse enemy, could be applied?Over to you.

    #9957

    CID
    Participant

    evening all … mr jojo sir, the “Criminal Psychology and Forensic Science dept”, or boffins as we like to call them have provided the following report on the “Alice in wonderland” incident. This is what they say;250px-Tobeasomebody.jpgThe jojo’s journey weblog was (it has been taken down in the last 24 hrs) a biographical dialogue between jojo and his need for attention, his quest to find an audience as well as an outlet for his frustrations, the weblog ran for two years concluding a few months ago. The diary provided telling insights into jojo’s character, state of mind and his random quest for some purpose, indeed, jojo’s journey is about the need to find something (anything) that might provide a platform, recognition, success and income. Lenkiewicz is just one of many things tried over the two year period after jojo was fired, until then he had shown no interest in Lenkiewicz and used the ”jojo’s journey” platform to push;(1) Gratuitous details of an ongoing battle with cancer (we presume)(2) Gratuitous details of surgery and physical complications.(3) An attempt and failure to break into local politics.(4) An attempt to launch and the subsequent failure of many random projects eg

    #9958

    jojo
    Participant

    More about me, nothing in response to my question/statement about Robert!!!A quick defense before returning to the subject of Robert:Firstly the blog was an exploration into the medium of 21st century joural keeping no more obnoxious than any of the other billions that are out there. It was closed down exactly two years after I started as was always the intention and has not been active for several months. One of the many ways Robert influenced my life, and there are lots both in how I live and how I work, is an interest in creating self inititating projects. The book of photos featuring people who sat for Robert will be my third, after it there will be another entitled coffee with Jojo in which I have photographed , from my poerspective, people I have drunk coffee with over a year. I have an exhibition of photographjs in a gallery in a show which has a private view on Thursday and will run fdor a month. These projects are not abandoned but seen through to completion as will be the two on Robert.Simillarly in theatre I am currently in discussion with a landlord about creating Plymouth's first fringe venue and mounting many productions, the play about Robert is part of a series of new works I shall be making on people who had a strong conmnection with Plymouth. Although I am behind these projects I am attempting to make myself invisible in the work itself, consequently in the photos, I have used the same simple lighting to lessen the prescence of the photogrspher.I never said Robert's work was crap, I said some of it was crap. My definition of works which are crap, includes the portraits which I have seen, (usually commisioned from him) in which the subjects look nothing like the individuals, the painting is unfinished and just seems shoddy, this view has been echoed, albeit without the specific word crap, by many people I have spoken with, it seems to be acknowledged by everyopne that Robert did not maintain a universal high standard, how can you disagree with that? And to return to Robert: surely the reason we are having this discussion and people complain that journalists are always describing him in connection (to what he would often say) as birds, books and bodies, is Robert's fault, what's going on with my suggested discussion as Robert as his own worse enemy?And please, if you can bear it, stop using the Lenkiewicz site to talk about JOJO!

    #9959

    WILLIAM
    Participant

    Jo Jo this is death by boredom. You have become like a drunken gatecrasher at a party.It is time you left.Alternatively. CID could swoop on you at your favourite watering hole and haul you away.

    #9960

    jojo
    Participant

    don't blame me, I'm trying to get

    #9961

    WILLIAM
    Participant

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