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  • #8681

    sartre
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    Selling books doesn't work on the same principle as selling paintings and it really doesn't make much difference who a former owner may have been unless it's someone particularly famous (especially in this case as Robert didn't mark his books with ownership marks).

    My point was that the choice of auctioneer is hardly just a matter of comparing commission rates. The ability of the auctioneer to attract enough interested buyers must have something to do with the decision of the executor to appoint Lyon and Turnbull. Or so one hopes.

    A book is generally worth a given amount to buyers and no auction house is likely to be better than another at raising greater sums. Take as an example the six volumes of the Letters of Marcilio Ficino. Those books are worth about £20 each new and can be bought cheaper on the second hand market. The majority of books remaining in the library are of twentieth century date and in total are probably worth no more than £200,000.

    It hardly seems worthwhile to sell them. Whatever their monetary value they represent a coherent body of knowledge which would be difficult to reassemble if broken up. I'm not sure to what extent the executor has to take TLF's charter into account - which includes establishing a resource for students incorporating Robert's library - when winding up the estate. I'd imagine none whatsoever.

    Robert could be quite indiscriminate with his book buying - he would buy everything on a subject if he could, no matter how feeble or fifth-rate the volume: the important thing for him was having the whole spectrum of opinion on a given subject. The downside of this that the library had its share of tat, which I expect will have been avoided like the plague by the auction houses - it's the tat that will be left to TLF.

    If by "tat" you mean books which are unattractive to collectors qua collectors, then I don't see that as a particular problem from the point of view of TLF. If however you mean the least significant volumes in terms of their contents and relevance to the study of human behaviour then that's a different story. And the end of one, in fact the main, objective of TLF.I personally think that ROL's idea to set up a centre and endow it with his book collection was a non-starter. Very few people would avail themselves of such a facility. Perhaps better to donate the entire book collection - or what remains of it - to a university on condition it's kept intact and permanently available to Lenkiewicz researchers and instead to concentrate on the paintings and the ideas behind them.

    #8682

    billy budd
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    My point was that the choice of auctioneer is hardly just a matter of comparing commission rates. The ability of the auctioneer to attract enough interested buyers must have something to do with the decision of the executor to appoint Lyon and Turnbull. Or so one hopes.

    Most of the people at these auctions are book dealers, who will scour the country for their trade. Apparently Lyon and Turnbull have established themselves in the past several years as good auctioneers.

    It hardly seems worthwhile to sell them. Whatever their monetary value they represent a coherent body of knowledge which would be difficult to reassemble if broken up. I'm not sure to what extent the executor has to take TLF's charter into account - which includes establishing a resource for students incorporating Robert's library - when winding up the estate. I'd imagine none whatsoever.

    Nope, 'fraid not.

    If by "tat" you mean books which are unattractive to collectors qua collectors, then I don't see that as a particular problem from the point of view of TLF. If however you mean the least significant volumes in terms of their contents and relevance to the study of human behaviour then that's a different story. And the end of one, in fact the main, objective of TLF.

    It's a bit of both really. Paperbacks never fetch much money on the second hand market and much of the stuff at the 'popular' end of the market gets published thus. I'm expecting to see all of the more scholarly hardback material up for sale in the Lyon & Turnbull auction, and the remaining antiquarian and manuscript material at the Sotheby's auctions.

    I personally think that ROL's idea to set up a centre and endow it with his book collection was a non-starter.

    You're not alone there, even Robert himself described it as a 'fantasy' on several occasions.

    Very few people would avail themselves of such a facility. Perhaps better to donate the entire book collection - or what remains of it - to a university on condition it's kept intact and permanently available to Lenkiewicz researchers and instead to concentrate on the paintings and the ideas behind them.

    Well, at least one educational institution did express an interest in buying the entire collection a few years back before it got broken up, which would have guaranteed its integrity, but TLF vetoed the idea.

    #8683

    billy budd
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    Well, well. The Lyon & Turnbull online catalogue of books from Robert's library is up and is pretty much what I expected to see. One or two surprising omissions, but there are still the Sotheby's auctions in May and June to follow.

    #8684

    sartre
    Participant

    I've just done the sums. The estimated value of the collection works out at between £262,760 and £380,280, that's roughly £350-£500 per book. Hopefully the estimates are on the conservative side.

    #8685

    billy budd
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    that's roughly £350-£500 per book.

    Have you taken into account that some of the lots contain several books and quite a few have dozens included?

    #8686

    sartre
    Participant

    that's roughly £350-£500 per book.

    Have you taken into account that some of the lots contain several books and quite a few have dozens included?

    You got me there! That should read £350-£500 per lot.

    #8687

    Site Admin
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    Results from the sale are below. I make the total just shy of £183,000. Anybody with nifty calculator fingers care to confirm or correct?(The prices do not include buyer's premium)373 £750.00374 £3,800.00375 £700.00376 £350.00377 £950.00378 £300.00379 £280.00380 £1,200.00381 £320.00382 £400.00383 £380.00384 £600.00385 £110.00386 £420.00387 £300.00388 £1,300.00389 £1,600.00390 £300.00391 £550.00392 £360.00393 £750.00394 £2,000.00395 £420.00396 £400.00397 £550.00398 £650.00399 £280.00400 £440.00401 £340.00402 £4,800.00403 £110.00404 £140.00404A £550.00405 £1,200.00406 £460.00407 £650.00408 £1,200.00409 £130.00410 £280.00411 £360.00412 £240.00413 £200.00414 £340.00415 £950.00416 £220.00417 £140.00418 £200.00419 £250.00420 £450.00421 £300.00422 £550.00423 £800.00424 £420.00425 £220.00426 £280.00427 £420.00428 £280.00429 £320.00430 £800.00431 £320.00432 £180.00433 £150.00434 £340.00435 £700.00436 £320.00437 £1,200.00438 £380.00439 £600.00440 £100.00441 £1,100.00442 £500.00443 £280.00444 £400.00445 £1,200.00446 £210.00447 £550.00448 £150.00449 £400.00450 £280.00451 £550.00452 £440.00453 £180.00454 £150.00455 £320.00456 £260.00457 £200.00458 £400.00459 £100.00460 £140.00461 £950.00462 £240.00463 £130.00464 £160.00465 £380.00466 £800.00467 £600.00468 £800.00469 £750.00470 £150.00471 £100.00472 £340.00473 £450.00474 £170.00475 £1,600.00476 £120.00477 £160.00478 £450.00479 £900.00480 £320.00481 £80.00482 £850.00483 £150.00484 £580.00485 £280.00486 £850.00487 £400.00488 £800.00489 £110.00490 £130.00491 £1,600.00492 £300.00493 £120.00494 £480.00495 £700.00496 £550.00497 £1,500.00498 £1,600.00499 £350.00500 £200.00501 £1,000.00502 £480.00503 £550.00504 £150.00505 £200.00506 £300.00507 £900.00508 £340.00509 £380.00510 £170.00511 £340.00512 £300.00513 £900.00514 £420.00515 £800.00516 £550.00517 £240.00518 £700.00519 £650.00520 £360.00521 £1,700.00522 £750.00523 £380.00524 £750.00525 £80.00526 £240.00527 £2,900.00528 £700.00529 £2,200.00530 £300.00531 £1,200.00532 £700.00533 £50.00534 £1,000.00535 £90.00536 £300.00537 £90.00538 £240.00539 £300.00540 £200.00541 £110.00542 Withdrawn543 £70.00544 £360.00545 £170.00546 £100.00547 £160.00548 £260.00549 £200.00550 £200.00551 £1,100.00552 £420.00553 £200.00554 £1,800.00555 £1,100.00556 £1,400.00557 £650.00558 £240.00559 £220.00560 £550.00561 £1,800.00562 £3,400.00563 £340.00564 £150.00565 £320.00566 £110.00567 £240.00568 £130.00569 £80.00570 £80.00571 Unsold572 £200.00573 £180.00574 Unsold575 Unsold576 £500.00577 £850.00578 £340.00579 £110.00580 £2,400.00581 £260.00582 £420.00583 £280.00584 £1,000.00585 £1,000.00586 £450.00587 £500.00588 £900.00589 £380.00590 £300.00591 £250.00592 Unsold593 £140.00594 £650.00595 £250.00596 £400.00597 £190.00598 £550.00599 £450.00600 £480.00601 £280.00602 £900.00603 £650.00604 £1,900.00605 £1,000.00606 £320.00607 £1,300.00608 £220.00609 £700.00610 £190.00611 £300.00612 £1,100.00613 £1,000.00614 £750.00615 £450.00616 £600.00617 £180.00618 £1,300.00619 £450.00620 £350.00621 £120.00622 £100.00623 £120.00624 £250.00625 £300.00626 £420.00627 £160.00628 £360.00629 £180.00630 £800.00631 £150.00632 £130.00633 £480.00634 £440.00635 £220.00636 £300.00637 £2,200.00638 £1,400.00639 £300.00640 £280.00641 £360.00642 £500.00643 £850.00644 £600.00645 £75.00646 £1,100.00647 £450.00648 £380.00649 £220.00650 £600.00651 £300.00652 £420.00653 £100.00654 £340.00655 £700.00656 £750.00657 £550.00658 £700.00659 £850.00660 £300.00661 £420.00662 £380.00663 £80.00664 £180.00665 £180.00666 £190.00667 £1,000.00668 £550.00669 £600.00670 £280.00671 £100.00672 £850.00673 £1,900.00674 £200.00675 £2,100.00676 £440.00677 £200.00678 £3,200.00679 £3,200.00680 £260.00681 £200.00682 £1,100.00683 £1,100.00684 £1,700.00685 £420.00686 £550.00687 £160.00688 £800.00689 £180.00690 £360.00691 £120.00692 £210.00693 £170.00694 £150.00695 £1,600.00

    #8688

    sartre
    Participant

    Results from the sale are below. I make the total just shy of £183,000. Anybody with nifty calculator fingers care to confirm or correct?

    You're right Dave - I make it £182,575. Even allowing for withdrawn lots etc that's below the pre-sale estimate of

    #8689

    marlowe
    Participant

    There are 15 lots in Sothebys book sale on June 5 with the provenace of “Robert Lenkiewicz”.

    #8690

    GRIMLEY
    Participant

    Oh dear god! The future Lenkiewicz book sale featured on Richard and Judy today! Any mention of Lenkiewicz the artist, the genius, the bibliophile or just the embalmed tramp…..sorry no prizes.

    #8691

    Francis
    Participant

    Who are Judy and Richard?

    #8692

    GRIMLEY
    Participant

    Oh come on Francis everyone knows this one, it’s an inane twenty five minute performance for children and the hard of thinking usually based around

    #8693

    Francis
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    Oh, the one with the baby and the crocodile? Sorry, I've not seen it since I was five.

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