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  • #6298

    Site Admin
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    It had originally been my intention to have only a small 'showcase' gallery on the new site, containing images of the more significant works.However, I am now having a rethink. Should the gallery on LBP actually be as complete and comprehensive as possible? Certainly this fits more with the underlying purpose of LBP.But, this would mean the end of the image gallery on this site, as it would be pointless (and a logistical nightmare) to try and maintain 2 image galleries.So, what do people think? Where should the main image gallery be? Also, is it time to prune the image gallery, and remove certain albums (pencil sketches, posters, book covers, etc)? If the main gallery does get moved to LBP, should there still be a facility to upload and share images on this site (perhaps containing 'user' albums only)?As always, any thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated.

    #9571

    007
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    Hi Dave, the problem runs a bit deeper than this. It plays into the forum discussion on the role of the two web sites. The images are imbedded in deep conversation threads in .org; if they are removed then discussion loses context and power. I take the view that the image library must be a common resource for both .org and LBP. The images viewed structurally in the LBP as Lenkiewiczean (factual) as possible and ad hoc (user driven) within this forum. A shared content management resource abstracted from both sites would suit this purpose. Actually, I go a bit further than this and suggest that this resource would be required by TLF to accommodate their use of the same material. My view on demarcation is as follows; (1) LBP is a website dedicated to the factual life and work of Robert Lenkiewicz, it is a fact that Robert Lenkiewicz initiated TLF, equally, it is also a fact that the life and works of TLF are not those of Robert Lenkiewicz - they are not the same. I argue in the purest sense that TLF post Lenkiewicz have no place in the LBP and most (not all) of their submission should be removed.(2) Lenkiewicz.org is a forum for all forms of discussion and interaction supported by the same archive material. (3) The theoretical website of TLF is a potential consumer (licensee) of the same resource. It's quite easy to see a future with three or more contextual views over the same visual material, the factual Lenkiewicz (LBP), the forum discussion (.org) and TLF requiring the resource for their own purposes - three (for now) legitimate perspectives of the same material. To illustrate here are three more Kevin’s (as if one wasn’t enough!) seen from the perspective of those separate websites.This is Kevin Gasson (LBP) – Project 17: Observations on local education ….thumb_album_pic%7E202.jpgThis is Kevin Gasson (.org) – Supporting discussion on any subject from sale prices through to the writings of Ivan Illich …thumb_album_pic%7E202.jpgThis is Kevin Gasson (TLF) – Being used as an example of someone ‘at the edge’ (whatever that means), presented in the context of TLF’s socio-philanthropic dialogue between itself and the public using the images produced by Robert Lenkiewicz – placed retrospectively as if made in the mid 1970/s.thumb_album_pic%7E202.jpgWhen confronted with the choice of using these images statically or dynamically – take both ….

    #9572

    Site Admin
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    The images are imbedded in deep conversation threads in .org; if they are removed then discussion loses context and power. I take the view that the image library must be a common resource for both .org and LBP.

    Images inserted into existing discussions would remain embedded. The only practical difference would be that the next time you want to add an image to a forum post, you will need to find it in the LBP image gallery rather than on .org.In technical terms, it doesn't really matter if the images used are stored on .org, LBP or elsewhere.You would still have the ability to upload images to a personal gallery on .org. This could be used for uploading images that you want to share, but which are not appropriate for the main image repository.

    I argue in the purest sense that TLF post Lenkiewicz have no place in the LBP and most (not all) of their submission should be removed.

    Are you suggesting that nothing 'post Lenkiewicz' has a place on LBP? Would this be the case for information about current and future exhibitions, publications, print releases, etc.?Regardless of ones views on their surrent situation, I don't think you can write TLF out of LBP. As long as any information presented is relevant and factually accurate, then I would argue that it most definitely has a place.

    It's quite easy to see a future with three or more contextual views over the same visual material, the factual Lenkiewicz (LBP), the forum discussion (.org) and TLF requiring the resource for their own purposes - three (for now) legitimate perspectives of the same material.

    This is my view of how things should be.But, I would suggest that TLF would only ever want to display a small proportion of Lenkiewicz's work on their own website.Discussion on .org can be stimulated by material that is archived elsewhere, be it images, Project notes and lists, or whatever else finds its way on to LBP in the coming years.

    #9573

    Francis
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    It's quite easy to see a future with three or more contextual views over the same visual material, the factual Lenkiewicz (LBP), the forum discussion (.org) and TLF requiring the resource for their own purposes - three (for now) legitimate perspectives of the same material.

    This is my view of how things should be.

    Mine, too. Jack's question is the key point here -

    #9574

    Site Admin
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    Maybe but anyone else will need their permission to show anything.

    Assuming that TLF acquire the copyright to Lenkiewicz's work, then yes.Perhaps another reason to have the image gallery on LBP, as TLF might be more receptive to an approach for permission to use the images on LBP than on .org.

    #9575

    007
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    Regardless of ones views on their surrent situation, I don't think you can write TLF out of LBP.

    I am not referring to TLF's current or possible future condition or situation.

    Are you suggesting that nothing 'post Lenkiewicz' has a place on LBP? Would this be the case for information about current and future exhibitions, publications, print releases, etc.?

    I am suggesting precisely that, it is arbitrary of us to allow or favour one contextual information source (TLF) over any other in a factual repository. Why are we putting future exhibitions, publications and print releases in LBP when it is supposed to carry facts about Robert Lenkiewicz.Its cleaner to keep to the facts, and since everyone agrees to this as an initial list of contextual views;

    It's quite easy to see a future with three or more contextual views over the same visual material, the factual Lenkiewicz (LBP), the forum discussion (.org) and TLF requiring the resource for their own purposes - three (for now) legitimate perspectives of the same material.

    How can we discriminate against other contextual suppliers of information, you say;

    As long as any information presented is relevant and factually accurate, then I would argue that it most definitely has a place.

    I ask, who decides on relevance and accuracy? - what is the criteria?, Does this condition apply to any contextual view?. And if the threads in .org are contextual then they can be placed in LBP right? You have been extremely generous with your time in maintaining this site for years. I suggest that no images are moved until these issues are resolved - because it sounds like we are just swapping material from one place to another - LBP would become as .org

    #9576

    007
    Participant

    Except for the public expression of individual opinion or information.

    The public are already permitted inside LBP with their anecdotes, they are invited to correct or amend anything inside the LBP with their opinions. I say the public are no more or less valid than the private - the individual no more or less opinionated than a collective. So what exactly are we discriminating against in LBP? How do we classify a student’s paper on Lenkiewicz, a journalists article or a debate in an open forum? Which is Private or Public, Contextual or Factual, Subjective or Objective? If a corporation makes entries in LBP, rather than an individual, does that improve factual accuracy or make those contributions any more or less contextual and subjective? The more contextual and subjective the material that is deposited in LBP the less value it has, eventually they outweigh the facts or worse suggest a factual chain exists where non does.The LBP has to be a book of facts right?

    #9577

    billy budd
    Participant

    Sorry Kevin, that line of mine you quoted was not meant to have been posted. It was the first line of a projected longer post but I got bored and abandoned it though somehow it found its way on here.What you say is quite right. Like the Scottish parliament after the Act of Union, I support the idea of voting ourselves out of existance and the forum here closed down. After 5 years it has pretty much run its course and in the brave new post-Administration world of Autumn 2008 and beyond Robert's legacy certainly needs to be presented and represented differently.That's my tuppence. 🙂

    #9578

    member555
    Keymaster

    The Lenkiewicz dotorgs are all aboard a ship. In fact there exists only a single ship, but the ship is leaking. - ‘Hey morons, in case you don’t get it, this ship is sinking. Anyway, I have better things to do than to fix it’ says the shrewd Jack Sparrow and jumps from the ship.- Hell, I’m leaving this rotten ship says Kevin and cites some obscure sources and thereby outwits everyone, except- Francis, who quickly swims away but occasionally returns just to remind everyone that he has a Life Raft and cannot sink.- ‘Yeah, let’s all leave’ echoes Billy Budd while holding on to an umbilical chord hanging over the railing.- All in chorus: ‘And for God’s sake, don’t DO anything, and keep away from the wretched book project! That is, keep checking and reading it but DON’T CONTRIBUTE! The ogre Teehelleff migh decide to intervene, or a personal opinion might slip in, or … or

    #9579

    CID
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    ...chatting to Beryl in the staff canteen is nearly always insightful, Beryl is a creature of habit and has this habit of producing the best bacon butties I have tasted, she rightly has a dedicated following, her latest delicacy, rhubarb crumble and custard, has gone down a storm here at the cyber station as well, it's quite delicious. Beryl was discussing her spring cleaning regime, apparently she has a lot of stuff to get rid of, "haven't we all"; I said - but she was determined to get rid of it and decided to dedicate the bank holiday weekend to it. "How did it go", I asked. "Well, I got all those boxes out of the loft and stacked them in the garage, I bought a new bigger box to sort out the stuff I wanted to keep, "It's surprising" she said; I haven't been through those old boxes in ages some of it goes back years, so much stuff.""It took the whole weekend" she said, "I went through each box and sorted out what I just had to hold onto and put it in the new box for safekeeping, the rest was going in the bin""How did it go", I asked. "Well, I managed to get rid of a worn out old teddy bear, a battered book on philosophy and have asked my daughter if she wants to take a couple of her silver christening spoons I found, she's thinking about it but isn't sure, you know its the sentimental value and all that""Oh well", she said, "I can always have another go next year." She grinned at me and said, "And how did you little exercise go" - I said "the lads have voted and the Bacon Buttie edges it over the rhubarb crumble and custard", "You don't want both then" she said; "Your spoiling us Beryl" I said...

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