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  • #9068

    billy budd
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    Is it that or is it that the existing prints are all pretty much of a muchness? A bit of variation outside of Anna, Esther, Karen and occasionally Lisa might help.When TLF does finally get its hands on the 'legacy' it'll be interesting to see what they do have up their sleeves for the future.

    #9069

    007
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    What killed the local gallery print business would most likely have been the lack of new prints being produced, which meant that with no new prints to supply galleries, they couldn't supply their customers with any more.

    As far as I know, all the prints produced since Robert's death (by The Estate) were sold direct to the end customer — i.e. no trade discounts for bulk purchases were available.There would be an obvious element of maximising income in that decision but it would be interesting to know if it also reflected lack of demand from the trade for unsigned products. It's certainly interesting that we've heard no clamour from the local print trade to 'give us something to sell!'.

    #9070

    007
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    ... it would be interesting to know if it also reflected lack of demand from the trade for unsigned products. It's certainly interesting that we've heard no clamour from the local print trade to 'give us something to sell!'.

    A release price of £200+ for unsigned (and very 'ordinary') prints is also likely to be an issue.There are only so many people who will religiously buy each and every new Lenkiewicz print, and I suspect that the number has fallen in recent years (or their walls are already full).If (or when) the Lenkiewicz print market expands beyond the South West, I would expect it to be far more discerning than what we have seen in the South West.If there are any psychology students reading this, might I suggest that the phenomenon that was the Lenkiewicz print market in Plymouth during the 1990s and early part of this century would make a great subject for a doctoral thesis!

    #9071

    gbl
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    To test the market demand (if I was TLF) I would consider releasing a few new title's (each differing in subjct matter for variety to cover the broad range of buyers tastes) – perhaps with an RL signiture printed into the painting perhaps. And then sell them straight to Ebay, and

    #9072

    007
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    To test the market demand (if I was TLF) I would consider releasing a few new title's (each differing in subjct matter for variety to cover the broad range of buyers tastes) - perhaps with an RL signiture printed into the painting perhaps. And then sell them straight to Ebay, and

    #9073

    007
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    If it turns out that there isn't much demand for the prints, then I can't see that any losses would be incured, as everything sells at a certain price on Ebay!

    That sounds like business suicide.Surely the whole point about prints is that the buyer needs to have some confidence that their investment is sound. Erratic prices on eBay for new prints is exactly what you wouldn't want, nor would it be a good idea for people to be able to see how frequently they went unsold.Although vulnerable to changing fashions, consumer confidence, and competing products, the main dilemma faced by a print company has to be the saturated market. An artist popular in print will see more and more prints released, often with diminishing returns on quality. People do indeed fill up their wallspace and stop buying. Later prints will also be competing with established imagery in the secondary market. Obviously, print makers have ways to counteract these factors, to sustain interest and keep values buoyant. Restricting supply, for instance. Quality and consistency of images must be kept up, but careful marketing can extend the public's taste for different types of pictures (though you shouldn't underestimate the conservatism of the sort of buyer who only buys Lenkiewicz pints). Crucially, advertising and promotion must expand the market outside local regions, finding new audiences.We appear to be at the stage where Lenkiewicz print buyers in the southwest badly need new reasons to buy. Let's hope that TLF can find partners with the vision and the marketing skill to take the prints further afield and repeat the previous success of Washington Green and Fisher Mackenzie. One thing is for sure: the artists most successful in the print game are those with a nationwide market. That means a greater purchasing base and a battalion of experienced resellers pushing the prints to their customers. That seems to be the missing ingredient at present.

    #9074

    billy budd
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    Mind you, the prospect of being able to leave feedback on TLF's performance does have a certain appeal 😉

    Which is probably why TLF keeps its head down so much to the point of near complete silence.

    #9075

    gbl
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    I wasn't talking about a big investment here - just small batches, to sell and to guage the market at the same time, for very small outlays (hopefully). Its a test as much as anything. After all, who can really predict the potential Lenkiewicz print market out there - it will not be understood just by debating it forums. Nor have TLF come up with any of their own inspiration on the subject. So I think its better to try something and risk failing, than to not try anything at all - whatever the idea (if it doesn't involve losing money that is).But also, what if the whole future Lenkiewicz market is a 'sinking ship' with little or NO mileage left in it whatsoever (after all, print values have slid down over the past couple of years)? With the further possibility that there might be NO chance of it growing beyond the Southwest (being realistic - as his work does not have the widespread popular appeal of say Jack Vetrianno, Berol Cook, flowers and Landsapes etc. to penetrate a 'nationwide market') so sometimes it is wise just to keep things simple rather than to launch a big marketing drive by TLF and partnership which could fail spectacularly.

    #9076

    old friend
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    Has anyone considered a biography or docusoap as ameans of grasping a wider audience? Oh what an eye opener that could be for the uninitiated, audiences in their millions and print runs to match.Who could be got to write the script?

    #9077

    WILLIAM
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    If you were all stuck on a motorway for hours in a water logged car then I could understand this going on. BUT!! . This thread should be read to insomniacs it would do the trick. Get a hobby or go on holiday. BORING. Robert Lenkiewicz and cut prices on

    #9078

    billy budd
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    Has anyone considered a biography or docusoap as ameans of grasping a wider audience? Oh what an eye opener that could be for the uninitiated, audiences in their millions and print runs to match.

    Take a bow White Lane Press. What they've been producing on Lenkiewicz of late is the closest we'll get to a full length biography for some while to come I should think. Dunno what the sales are like though.

    #9079

    Francis
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    I don’t know about that Billy but thanks anyway.Like William I feel the issue over prints has been covered often enough but there is a relevant point I’d like to make. The debate here has largely concentrated on values, which is fair enough for anyone who has bought them. But I’m more interested in the purpose. Yes, they made money for Robert, and to a lesser degree for the Estate and TLF will no doubt hope for them one day.

    #9080

    gbl
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    Has anyone considered a biography or docusoap as ameans of grasping a wider audience? Oh what an eye opener that could be for the uninitiated, audiences in their millions and print runs to match.Who could be got to write the script?

    #9081

    007
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    thats not nearly as daft an idea as JoJo's Lenkiewicz – the musical!

    Mock all you want, but we'll be vindicated on opening night.Watch out for my own contribution — the Aesthetic Fascism Rap.What it is, yo.

    #9082

    Francis
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    Watch out for my own contribution — the Aesthetic Fascism Rap.What it is, yo.

    Money in da bank, Jack.

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