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    Francis
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    Thanks for pointing these out. I fired a warning shot and they seem to have disappeared…at least for now. Well done .org. I'd just add that the, err, 'Museum of Wales', seems to deal in dodgy stuff generally.PS They have either reappeared or, while I was away, my computer didn't pick them up, but in any case, they are now back on Ebay. I've had no response from the vendor to my email so will try to dissuade a little harder.

    #10154

    art3366
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    The fake comes with a cock and bull provenance.eg. “I was Robert's taxi driver and he didn't have any money;we did a deal and he gave me this painting for running him around Plymouth for three months”.

    Here is the correspondance between myself and the seller of the drawings linked by Luke above; hii have seen this and your other lenkiewicz drawings. You say they are from your private collection, what is their provanance please? who where and when did you aquire them. I am be interested in buying all of them ,reply:I bought these sketches along with 2 (signed) books, a full pencil drawing of a girl (when he used to draw people along the beach) and also a painting from mr godsons neighbour in Birmingham who was selling up and emigrating.I lived in Devon until 2 years ago and had heard of RL but never really took an interest. I'd completely forgotton about the portfolio until I cleared out the attic.To be really honest, I don't like this type of art that's why I'm selling them.Hope this answers your question.- grandmasjumblemy reply:Dear grandmasjumble,Well not really helpful at all if I am honest.I was really after the history of the drawings. Saying you bought them from Mr Godson's neighbour doesn't really tell me amything about how these particular drawings made it from Robert Lenkiewicz to your ownership. To put it another way, what makes you think Robert Lenkiewicz drew these drawings and what evidence do you have to support that view?Once I am happy with your explanation I would be interested in buying all your drawingsreply;Because the person who sold then to me bought them from a sale in Plymouth complete with a receipt saying that they were by RL. Also the painting that was in the package was an original RL same as the pencil drawing I still have.I can't give you anymore information than that.Believe me or you don't beleive me the choice is entirely yours.- grandmasjumbleI asked to see the receipt.......erm not heard anymore. How about that for a provanance then poeple? But to fair to the seller he did say believe me or don't believe me which is good advice.

    #10155

    member555
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    I'd completely forgotton about the portfolio until I cleared out the attic.

    Maybe the list in my last post was too dry, so I'll rephrase:Sales data indicate that the eBay seller ID grandmasjumble bought auction lot 53 at Golding Young & Co. in Grantham on 06 May 2009. The lot included all of the drawings that grandmasjumble posted on eBay 4 weeks later. Maybe grandmasjumble suffers from Alzheimer's disease, claiming to have found them in the attic. I would say the seller is playing a very dangerous game. It was definitely a rescue maneuver to end all the ebay auctions prematurely after only two days.Let's hope we don't have to see these drawings again. However, history tells us that Golding Young & Co. keeps offering them for sale over and again. A working authentication service would stop this abuse of Robert's name. We can learn from Banksy.

    #10156

    Francis
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    Even while Robert was alive, this was a problem. It obviously got far worse after his death but I have chased, warned and threatened most of the auction houses, who were the main culprits and it's largely better than it was. I must admit I don't know these auctioneers but I'll have a word with them. However Ebay is a constant source of irritation, not only with Robert's work but other artists too.If anyone sees anything doubtful anywhere, I'd be grateful if you could highlight it here in the forum or contact me direct.PS An update.I spoke with Golding, Young and Co. As I'd guessed, these drawings were part of one lot of multiple drawings in the Westpoint Bearnes sale. Of course, that doesn't mean they are by Robert and are likely students' drawings. The auctioneers have promised to contact me if they are offered anything more substantial in future.

    #10157

    gbl
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    #10158

    gbl
    Participant

    ...Ps; It's funny how they never seem to have any feet on her drawings - what's all that about? If she gets caught for putting more and more forgeries on eBay she'll have shot herself in the foot!!!

    #10159

    gbl
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    #10160

    simbo
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    The problem is that there is easy money to be made on Ebay.A'Patrick Heron'that would have made thousands at auction, or more at a gallery,had it been genuine,sold for £770 yesterday.Why would anyone sell it that cheaply on Ebay if it was genuine?

    #10161

    member555
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    The problem is that there is easy money to be made on Ebay.

    Yes and no. Greed rules the world, no point in denying that. But the problem is not that people want to make money, the problem is that we lack means to stop sales of forgeries. If there was an official authentication authority for Lenkiewicz works, that authority could have acted. The natural place for such an authority is in TLF.As long as no one has the authority to oppose the sales of mis-attributed works and plain forgeries, they will continue.By the way, the red pastel drawing which gbi linked to in the post above is, again, from the lots sold by Golding Young & Co., Grantham, 30 July 2008 (lot 208, est. £100-200). It was bought by the "Museum of Wales" which immediately posted it on eBay where it sold on 10 August for £313.45. Somebody lost money, because now it only fetched £138.

    #10162

    simbo
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    Familiarity bred contempt,presumably.

    #10163

    gbl
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    If you look up "picasso" on eBay at any one time, there are always several Picasso 'originals' for sale for several hundred dollars, which always sells!Just one current example; http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PABLO-PICASSO-1881-1973-GOUACHE_W0QQitemZ250473594212QQcmdZViewItemQQptZArt_Paintings?hash=item3a5163bd64&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14There seems to be some kind of semi-acceptable trade (for want of a better term) in Picasso knock-offs. I don't know what the buyers are thinking, but I suppose there's a lot of dumb American (and UK) buyers. I imagine that people who buy Lenkiewicz's art look at this site too, and see the comments on the dodgy drawings that keep popping up!

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