PETITION

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  • #10806

    Annie HillSmith
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    Thanks for that, Krauser.

    #10807

    member555
    Keymaster

    I have received this message, and since I have been unable to make contact with the sender Maggie, I post it here. If Maggie reads this, I ask her to contact lenkiewicz.org again so I can help her to register and post herself.Message:In response to Krauser's comment Re: PETITION« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 03:06:01 PM »I would encourage him to reconsider his assumption that Mr Yeats is professionaly linked to SWiB. Yes, he is one of the archive's depositors but the archive is actually managed by an appointed qualified archivist and board of Directors. Furthermore, I'm not entirely sure what Krauser was getting at in stressing the point about there being ALOT of images from Mike's collection on the website. SWiB actually has over 130 individual collections in addition to Mike's one collection which are of equal importance and value, with several collections exceeding over one million items.

    #10808

    TheWolfman
    Participant

    I have received this message, and since I have been unable to make contact with the sender Maggie, I post it here. If Maggie reads this, I ask her to contact lenkiewicz.org again so I can help her to register and post herself.Message:In response to Krauser's comment Re: PETITION« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 03:06:01 PM »I would encourage him to reconsider his assumption that Mr Yeats is professionaly linked to SWiB. Yes, he is one of the archive's depositors but the archive is actually managed by an appointed qualified archivist and board of Directors. Furthermore, I'm not entirely sure what Krauser was getting at in stressing the point about there being ALOT of images from Mike's collection on the website. SWiB actually has over 130 individual collections in addition to Mike's one collection which are of equal importance and value, with several collections exceeding over one million items.

    In response to Maggie's email -I didn't make an assumption, I wondered if his disenchantment was because he has ties to the SWIB, which he clearly does. The point is clear, Mike Yeats supports the SWIB with his work and it is therefore understandable where his priorities and interests are. In that regard it's irrelevant whether he has supplied the organisation with one image or a thousand, the intent is the same. My view was that such a large contribution would suggest a professional link, something which Maggie seemed to want to dismiss.Mr Yeat's took it upon himself to very publicly offer his opinion of the petition and the support behind it and in return I offered up information which he decided to omit, and I note to a smaller more selective audience. I am quite sure he is capable of backing up his own comments should he feel it necessary. My post was obviously not intended as a slight on the Image Bank which I am sure is a valuable and very worthwhile resource and the fact that someone potentially from the SWIB felt it necessary to comment on the matter is perhaps unnecessary as there was never any suggestion that Mr Yeat's comments represented their own wider view.Mr Yeat's stated his opinion and I offered mine. I just don't feel information that colours opinion one way or another should be kept hidden when the intent of the Yeat's article was to discourage support. Perhaps it would have been more balanced if he also provided some positive feedback from his work with the Image Bank instead of relying on 'I hear', 'I am told' as support for his claims, factual or otherwise.

    #10809

    Annie HillSmith
    Participant

    Ain't that true?!And ... Krauser ... I also find myself in agreement with your post... and of course you are correct, neither TLF or SWIB had anything to do with the petition.

    #10810

    kezzer1981
    Participant

    With regards to the recent entry on the forum regarding the identity of Mike Yeats and his comments about the petition, whilst he might be linked to SWiB I believe his aim was to highlight the point that there are in fact two sides to every coin which you wouldn't have guessed given the amount of coverage given to TLF. As far as I can see it was not written in criticism of the Foundation but against the one sided media approach to the story.I think the hypocrisy of Ms Hill Smith and her rather 'pleased for themselves' co-commentor is frankly laughable if they feel Mr Yeats has done this out of malice or in a sneaky way or to a particular agenda. With regards to working to a particular agenda, I would argue whether SHE knows enough about the PBA to be voicing her comments in fact? Does SHE know enough to justifiably draw up a petition on behalf of the Foundation which is itself 100% biased and which is based on her one sided knowledge of the situation only and without any regard for the bigger picture? Is this petition actually sanctioned by the rest of the Foundation's members?

    #10811

    billy budd
    Participant

    Before this thread descends entirely into ad hominem attacks, it is as well to remember that there are always at least two (six if you believe Robert) sides to every story and while the petition, started independently of TLF, might have been done with the best of intentions, it is as well to remember that PBA are the owners of 25 The Parade and their primary motivation is financial. There is no reason why they should do TLF favours, particularly in these straightened times where they might be left at a disadvantage financially.From what I have read TLF had an option for some time on 25 The Parade while waiting to see what happened with the estate (and besides, in the meantime the Executor was paying the rent). There was a tacit understanding that PBA would get St. Saviour's (leased to TLF by the City Council in 2002) in exchange for 25 The Parade, but then it came out that the structural repairs to St. Saviour's were such that it would cost more than PBA would be willing to invest to repair it and TLF certainly do not have the resources to pay for it. With the winding up of the Estate TLF now want 25 The Parade, but after 8 years of having an idle asset, PBA is now able to offer a home to the Image Bank, something that apparently comes with significant funding attached and a strong community remit, which is more than TLF can boast. The motivation for TLF being the new tenant of 25 The Parade is wholly emotional, and I would argue that the building is ill-suited to being a visitor centre-cum-museum-cum-whatever it is actually that TLF intend to do. There are a number of comments on the petition to the effect that Robert's studio should be kept open - apparently without realising that Robert's studio closed eight years ago and everything inside has long since been stripped out. Moreover, as someone has noted, the actual 'studio' part during the last 20 years or so of Robert's life was in the adjacent building, which is not under discussion.TLF could never hope to recreate the appearance or ambience of 25 The Parade when Robert occupied it, thus the notion of it being a pilgrimage site is flawed. Far better, IMHO, to look at more suitable premises elsewhere, one in which the TLF's new objectives, whatever they might turn out to be, can be more fully realised than in the pokey premises at 25 The Parade.

    #10812

    TheWolfman
    Participant

    Is this petition actually sanctioned by the rest of the Foundation's members?

    As oft pointed out the petition is not affiliated with the TLF although it could be argued it is in their best interest. At base level the petition is neither for the foundation or against the Image Bank it is simply a way of raising awareness and gaining public support toward having a Lenkiweicz focal point in what was THE Lenkiweicz focal point. It should be noted that there are many Lenkiewicz signatures on the petition itself, perhaps the most important endorsement of all. That said the SWIB should tread carefully and distance itself from public argument or endorsement of it's contributor's views, especially where intent is not fully explained. It would certainly be easy for them to quickly erode goodwill and put themselves in a position of mistrust when I am sure that bad press is something that anyone in such a tentative position would rather avoid.Regarding the statement regarding the 'rest of the foundation's members' - it would seem to imply that Annie is still a member of the foundation and is acting on their behalf or with their prior knowledge which of course she is not. The creation of the petition and subsequent response and interest has been, so far as I can tell, public domain. There is nothing stopping the Image Bank from launching it's own petition to gauge interest in their own stake on 25, the Parade although I would wager they already suspect where the majority of public support would fall.

    #10813

    TheWolfman
    Participant

    Before this thread descends entirely into ad hominem attacks, it is as well to remember that there are always at least two (six if you believe Robert) sides to every story and while the petition, started independently of TLF, might have been done with the best of intentions, it is as well to remember that PBA are the owners of 25 The Parade and their primary motivation is financial. There is no reason why they should do TLF favours, particularly in these straightened times where they might be left at a disadvantage financially.From what I have read TLF had an option for some time on 25 The Parade while waiting to see what happened with the estate (and besides, in the meantime the Executor was paying the rent). There was a tacit understanding that PBA would get St. Saviour's (leased to TLF by the City Council in 2002) in exchange for 25 The Parade, but then it came out that the structural repairs to St. Saviour's were such that it would cost more than PBA would be willing to invest to repair it and TLF certainly do not have the resources to pay for it. With the winding up of the Estate TLF now want 25 The Parade, but after 8 years of having an idle asset, PBA is now able to offer a home to the Image Bank, something that apparently comes with significant funding attached and a strong community remit, which is more than TLF can boast. The motivation for TLF being the new tenant of 25 The Parade is wholly emotional, and I would argue that the building is ill-suited to being a visitor centre-cum-museum-cum-whatever it is actually that TLF intend to do. There are a number of comments on the petition to the effect that Robert's studio should be kept open - apparently without realising that Robert's studio closed eight years ago and everything inside has long since been stripped out. Moreover, as someone has noted, the actual 'studio' part during the last 20 years or so of Robert's life was in the adjacent building, which is not under discussion.TLF could never hope to recreate the appearance or ambience of 25 The Parade when Robert occupied it, thus the notion of it being a pilgrimage site is flawed. Far better, IMHO, to look at more suitable premises elsewhere, one in which the TLF's new objectives, whatever they might turn out to be, can be more fully realised than in the pokey premises at 25 The Parade.

    I actually agree with much of this post and have highlighted several of the points made in it previously. The one concession I would make is that something should really be done with mural regardless of who eventually occupies 25, The Parade. It's more than a goodwill or band aid solution should TLF find themselves in what may well be more suitable property elsewhere and as the area is still a tourist attraction and desperately needs attention.

    #10814

    marlowe
    Participant

    I'm not sure what makes me laugh most of the the current threads. Whether it's everyone having an opinion on The Parade when by their own admission, they don't know the facts. Or Jojo's opinions on Robert. Like Robert, suppose it's best to stick to both. 😉

    #10815

    jojo
    Participant

    I'd be obliged if you'd disclose which oppinions I hold on Robert you find so laughable Marlowe. Your name isn't Michael Wood by any chance is it?!!!

    #10816

    marlowe
    Participant

    Your name isn't Michael Wood by any chance is it?!!!

    Like you Jojo only one name! :-X

    I'd be obliged if you'd disclose which oppinions I hold on Robert you find so laughable Marlowe.

    Spoilt for choice. Could be your opinions on Robert's paintings, his projects or his morality. But probably in the end it's your ridiculous attempts to get the hack to draw comparisons between you and Robert. I would say have you no shame but I think we know the answer.

    #10817

    jojo
    Participant

    Marlowe, Marlowe, Marlowe! Where to begin? Let's start with the journalist. If you knew anything about how the media worked you would know that I couldn't dictate the angle the journalist had probably decided he was going to take before the first words of the interview took place. As it was we spoke for nearly two hours about a large amount of things to do with my life, some of which he chose to include others he chose not to. I made no attempt whatsoever to get the award winning journalist you refer to as a hack to direct his story in any direction and was as surprised to read it as you were annoyed.As for my oppinions on Robert's paintings and projects: I am entitled to them as everybody else is, having been employed as a columnist with a specific remit to write about culture in Plymouth on three publications over as many years I suggest my oppinions are also informed by comparisons and contrasts I made to other artists I have met and interviewed over that time. It beggars belief that you could feel yourself so superior to presume that only you have a valid oppinion about the work of a particular painter. Moving on, my view of Robert's morality has been formed by my first hand conversations with him together with second hand testimony from more than 130 people with whom I conducted interviews. These people knew him from all different aspects/ compartments of his life. Consequently I feel able to make a dispassionate observation based on the facts I have discovered. Your mockery suggests to me that you were either a close friend or lover of Robert's and like so many you are under the illusion that you know him better than anyone else and that your idea of Robert is the one and only REAL one.

    #10818

    marlowe
    Participant

    errr, no marlowe you are a sad sack who hides behind a nickname on the internet...

    Wonderful Chrisk!! ::) maybe you can tell us how many

    #10819

    jojo
    Participant

    I won't battle with you amy longer as the only way I can properly make my point about Robert's occasional questionable moral choices would be to give some specific examples which I have decided not to do: so let me end this debate by reiterating my position that Robert was an enormous influence on my life and my own moral standpoints, he influenced me creatively and philosophically more so than any other human being, however, he was not a saint: he often described himself as a wolf never a pussycat and that's as far as I'll go.

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