Robert’s Children

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    art3366
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    FIRST THINGS FIRST. KEVIN YOU ARE INVITED NOT TO REPLY IN THIS THREAD.I read that Annie Hill smith was one of robert's wives and mother of three of his children (AHS is chairman of the lenkiewicz foundation and curator of the "On The Edge" exhibition currently showing at the Novas Gallery in camden london).Which leads me to the question (jack sparrow will know all of this I expect) who were Robert's wives and in what order (chronologically) did they marry. First wife MOUSE .....what was her real name and did she have any children by Robert? He often painted her with a baby or small child didn't he?Was Karen Ciambreillo married to Robert? Am I right is saying that Karen has two children by Robert? Thais and Khaya.Who is/are Wolfe's and Ruben's Mother(s)? This could be an interesting thread but please only contribute if you are going to respect the sensibilities of Robert's family and associates. I would be interested in seeing robert's family tree.I know wolfe is an artist in his own right and also a gallery owner. How about the others?

    #9671

    member555
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    This is a thread for those who are more interested in discussing Robert’s life and legacy than in boasting their own egos. And yes, I think that Robert’s family life has a lot to do with his artistic output and that the thread is relevant on this forum.Please note that the info I give below is not secret or compromising. Most of it can be found on the Internet, and I think that the less known details I have added do not reveal any private matters that can be in any way negative for any of the persons concerned.Mouse real name was Celia Mills. They met in 1961 at St Martins School of Art. Compared to Robert, who was tall and strong, she was quite small, so he called her Mouse. They had a daughter, Alice, and a son, Wolfe.Robert’s second wife was Keiko Nakamura, a Japanese artist. He is said to have married her around 1975 so that she could stay in the UK to study pottery technique. It was a technical marriage, they did not live together or have any children.His third wife was Mary Pearce, the Mary of the Mary Notebook. Much of that saga is described, from Robert’s perspective, in the Notebook. They did not have any children.Karen and Robert never married, but you are correct in that they had two children together, Thais and Khaya.Rueben’s mother is Monica Shannon.Wolfe’s mother is Mouse (se above).Robert and Annie Hill-Smith never married. Two of their children are frequently figured in Robert’s paintings, Sholem and Jascha. Their daughter's name is Kate.There have been posts earlier outlining the artistic interests and works by many of Robert’s descendants. You will find them by searching this forum.The family tree of Robert is not mine to reveal (or anyone else’s, for that matter) and some parts may well remain unknown forever. One could mention that Robert begot his first child, his son Dorian, already in his late teens. The mother’s name was Ivorene Davis, but Robert called her Faggot (Robert loved to give people nick-names, but not always very flattering ones)Many know this far better than I do, and I would be grateful for others to point out mistakes that I have made.

    #9672

    gbl
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    Yes, its an intersting side of Roberts life!A few points though for your reference: Annie had three children with Robert - Yaschca (a furniture designer), Sholem (previously worked in an office in London), and Kate - now aged around 30 (give or take a couple years). Karen was his main partner for at least the last 20 years of his life. With whom he had Thais and Chaya. Thais (aged 20) is not a painter, but plays guitar, and is in a band called 'The Great Dictators' (see MySpace website), Chaya (around 17 now), also not a budding artist (or not as far as I know, anyway!). And Alice (aged around 40 or so), is the daughter of Mouse from Robert, and is an artist (who's work is occaisionally seen on ebay). As for Monica, I understood that she was the mother of both Rueben and

    #9673

    billy budd
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    It might also be worth pointing out that Mary's first name was Gillian. She sort of 'became' Mary with Robert's involvement.PS. According to the artist's bio, Keiko Nakamura was born in 1966, which would make her a little underage to have married Robert around 1975. Are you quite sure of that one 555?

    #9674

    member555
    Keymaster

    Both Keiko and Nakamura are very common Japanese names, so there are in fact a couple of artists doing ceramics with that name. The person you refer to is indeed born 1966 and graduated from the Tokyo Zokei University. She lives in Japan and I believe she has nothing to do with Robert. I think the correct person is described as this: “Following her initial training in Fine Arts in Tokyo, Keiko Nakamura did a Degree in Ceramics at the Central School of Art and Design in London”. She has been active in the UK since 1977 or earlier.Anyway, I have contacted her to try to get confirmation of the dates of their marriage.

    #9675

    art3366
    Participant

    Thanks for the reply's. So just to recap…….Wives, Partners, Nicknames and offspring are as followsIvorene Davis

    #9676

    member555
    Keymaster

    Well, let's make the list just a wee bit longer:Ivorene Davis not married AKA FAGGOT Dorian (1)Celia Mills married AKA MOUSE Alice and Wolfe

    #9677

    art3366
    Participant

    Well, let's make the list just a wee bit longer:Ivorene Davis not married AKA FAGGOT Dorian (1)Celia Mills married AKA MOUSE Alice and Wolfe

    #9678

    luke white
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    …I'm sure there's some kid somewhere, in a Birmingham towerblock right now, saying: “I wonder who my dad was…?”, and, “Why am I so good at painting etc…?”. Yes, maybe a few DNA tests later, there will be one or two new 'lenkiewicz's' to add to the family tree!!!

    #9679

    jojo
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    Karen has asked me to point out that Thais is only 19 and at art college and Chaya is 16 and hoping to become a teacher.

    #9680

    art3366
    Participant

    Thanks for that Jojo. I will have to leave this thread for someone else to finish. I think reuben's mother was Monica and am awaiting confirmation of this.I am leaving this forum as Francis has called a day. It's a shame but I can't bear that Kevin has taken over and posts these diatribes and questions peoples integrity all the time it's outrageous.I was hoping Dave Goodwin would have stepped in earlier but showed no inclination to do so.

    #9681

    gbl
    Participant

    I think reuben's mother was Monica and am awaiting confirmation of this.I am leaving this forum as Francis has called a day. It's a shame but I can't bear that Kevin has taken over and posts these diatribes and questions peoples integrity

    Yes it is definately Monica.Ps; sorry, was just 1 year out with Thais's age! Also, I doubt we'll hear too much more of Kevin's (mentally) unstable posts, as there will be no 'fuel' to feed it; what with Francis being probably the last of the agitators of his 'cryptic' and '50% comprehensible' theories! (Or was it just me that couldn't read between the lines of his posts?...well, they aren't exactly 'Plain English' are they????) 🙂

    #9682

    art3366
    Participant

    just one last update then b4 I go. As kevin has gone…..this at least was a kevin free zone!!Ivorene Davis

    #9683

    oby
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    FIRST THINGS FIRST. KEVIN YOU ARE INVITED NOT TO REPLY IN THIS THREAD.I read that Annie Hill smith was one of robert's wives and mother of three of his children (AHS is chairman of the lenkiewicz foundation and curator of the "On The Edge" exhibition currently showing at the Novas Gallery in camden london).Which leads me to the question (jack sparrow will know all of this I expect) who were Robert's wives and in what order (chronologically) did they marry. First wife MOUSE .....what was her real name and did she have any children by Robert? He often painted her with a baby or small child didn't he?Was Karen Ciambreillo married to Robert? Am I right is saying that Karen has two children by Robert? Thais and Khaya.Who is/are Wolfe's and Ruben's Mother(s)? This could be an interesting thread but please only contribute if you are going to respect the sensibilities of Robert's family and associates. I would be interested in seeing robert's family tree.I know wolfe is an artist in his own right and also a gallery owner. How about the others?

    Having been brought up in a place i would rather forget 'Nazareth House' 🙁 I remember being in the same dormatory as Reuben and someone called James (Jamie?) They were brothers. I mentioned this to Robert some years ago and as he never mentioned not having a son called james I have always assumed this to be the case. It ws James that brought Robert to my attention as i was always drawing. Could this have been the period Robert spent time inside?

    #9684

    art3366
    Participant

    Latest update. I have it on good authority that Celia Mills is Wolfe's mother (as I first thought). I have therefore updated the list accordingly as follows:Ivorene Davis

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