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    dutchmaster2
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    As many regular readers of this website will know we have been waiting with anticipation for a reaction by the TLF to the “final” sale for the estate. The executor will have loose ends to tie up concerning the final payments to outstanding parties etc. However is anyone else worried by the lack of information coming forward as to the intentions of TLF. How many works are left in the core collection? Why aren't we seeing an updated Official Lenkiewicz website which to my mind has not been updated for 5 years! Have TLF planned to contact all those people who have bought works to arrange loans for future exhibitions/museum tours? Kyffin Williams on the otherhand already seems to have a core of 300-400 paintings scheduled to be held in a museum dedicated to the artist within 2 years of his passing.If Lenkiewicz is to be taken seriously then action needs to be taken to establish his work in the mainstream. Surely the latest sale must have left TLF with at least 1 million profit if my sums are correct?Frustrated as me. Leave your views below.Given the choice between 2 things in life don't choose TLF!

    #9846

    gbl
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    It should be obvious by now that TLF choose not to interact with this site, and never really have, except for the occaisional statement. You can post your dissaproval as much as you like, but its a bit like the press writing stuff about the Royal family - they'll never reply, but they will release the occaisional statement when under pressure, or to set the record straight on something in particular!

    #9847

    art3366
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    £2m plus figure includes Bearnes 20%. The kyffin williams position has been debated at length here before. As Billybudd has previously pointed out, Kyffin Williams gave hundreds of paintings and papers etc to the welsh nation BEFORE he died. Also there is a political and public pride in welsh achievers. It may well have been different if Robert had fled to Newport rather than Cornwall when he left London. TLF will get what they get once boyce hatton wind up the estate. No amount of posts here will speed that up!! If the website hasn't been updated for 5 years a few more months or so would make any difference,surely? How about adding to Billy's list on the other thread. A hierarchy of what TLF should do once they have their inheritance?

    #9848

    marlowe
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    Kyffin Williams on the otherhand already seems to have a core of 300-400 paintings scheduled to be held in a museum dedicated to the artist within 2 years of his passing.If Lenkiewicz is to be taken seriously then action needs to be taken to establish his work in the mainstream. Surely the latest sale must have left TLF with at least 1 million profit if my sums are correct?

    Did Kyffin Williams leave an estate worthy of a Dickens novel? and if the Ben Uri show doesn't establish Robert's work in the mainstream, it's hard to know what will.You're right on the website though at least.

    #9849

    art3366
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    If Lenkiewicz is to be taken seriously then action needs to be taken to establish his work in the mainstream. Surely the latest sale must have left TLF with at least 1 million profit if my sums are correct?Frustrated as me. Leave your views below.

    If pictures by robert lenkieiwcz are now fetching hundreds of thousands of pounds at auction, I think someone is taking him seriously. His paintings have for some times traded at these prices between dealers and collectors.What exactly are you frustrated about dutch?

    #9850

    gbl
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    However is anyone else worried by the lack of information coming forward as to the intentions of TLF. How many works are left in the core collection? Why aren't we seeing an updated Official Lenkiewicz website which to my mind has not been updated for 5 years! TLF with at least 1 million profit if my sums are correct?

    Well, you've got your answers from TLF - are you 'silenced' by that by any chance? I agree, their stagnant website was complete disregard. As for the £1 million profit - they could now possibly even buy outright a building on the Barbican - perhaps even Roberts main studio itself! (though that would be pushing it a bit as buying it and restoring it (not to mention running it) would probably exceed £1million!). But if they could get something central for around £250K that might be worth considering - especially if bought outright - as they could then never be moved-on by anyone in the future, which would be a very strong position to be in. Then ideally, decent management along with grants/funds/income could keep it going indefinately! I think the 'last' thingTLF want to be doing is 'renting' a building commercially, or accepting something for a token rental amount as a favour from some businessman who is sympathetic to the cause (unless it comes with a very long lease/contract of some sort). Otherwise, come 5-years time and they ask TLF to vacate, TLF could be back to square one! and with no capital left as they'd previously spent it on the basis that they were given/lent a nice building, so had no need to 'invest' in a property at the time (which is now)!

    #9851

    billy budd
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    I suspect it's more likely that the £1 million profit will be going directly into Peter Walmesley/Boyce Hatton's pockets rather than finding its way to TLF. They are, after all, the main beneficiary of Robert's estate.

    #9852

    marlowe
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    As for the £1 million profit - they could now possibly even buy outright a building on the Barbican - perhaps even Roberts main studio itself! (though that would be pushing it a bit as buying it and restoring it (not to mention running it) would probably exceed £1million!). But if they could get something central for around £250K that might be worth considering - especially if bought outright - as they could then never be moved-on by anyone in the future, which would be a very strong position to be in.

    gbl are you suggesting TLF spends a million or even 250k on a building when it apparently will only inherit a handful of paintings to put in it?

    #9853

    gbl
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    I suspect it's more likely that the £1 million profit will be going directly into Peter Walmesley/Boyce Hatton's pockets rather than finding its way to TLF. They are, after all, the main beneficiary of Robert's estate.

    ...Thats what I said in an earlier post, but if it does inherit a big sum, then yes marlowe, I am suggesting TLF spend at least an 'affordable' proportion of it on securing a permanent property of some sort, if their figures allow it. But I am not suggesting £1million or to blow all of it, hence in brackets I say 'that would be pushing it' - meaning - not likely (sorry, I wasn't very clear). I definately think that a secure base should take priority before acquiring individual paintings - that can be done gradually, especially if you discover that paintings can be loaned instead of bought. If there are a large number of owners out there who are willing to lend works, then in some ways that can be preferable to buying - as loaned works can be 'rotated' ie; swapped for others - meaning a LF collection can be changed and evolved, so that ongoing 'variety' could be had.And as I said, if you can afford to then yes, make premises their first priority. Then secondly, use the remaining resources to buy/beg/borrow (but not steal) paintings as time goes on.

    #9854

    billy budd
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    You've invalidated your own argument GBL. If TLF plans to borrow in paintings then what does it need premises for if it isn't holding a significant-sized permanent collection? It seems somehow perverse to spend £250,000 – £500,000 on a Barbican property to contain a handful of paintings with space for more they'd like to borrow.Unless TLF can attract a regular and dedicated band of volunteers to man this building then how can they hope keep it open long enough to attract visitors to make a permanent gallery viable? How do they plan to raise sufficient money to sustain this gallery? Do they intend to charge for entry? Again - more questions than answers.

    #9855

    gbl
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    Ok, let me make it clearer...I suggested spending 250K (not £500k - thats too much) on a building 'if' TLF were to get around £1m+. This is probably unlikely - but nobody knows exactly how much they might get yet anyway.If they only end up with a 'few bob' then please discount my suggestions about buying a building on the Barbican, as they will have automatically become irrelevant.As for having a building with no work to put in it, I assume that they will already have a small number of works already - owned by TLF or individual members of TLF collectively? As well as other things like aesthetic notes etc? I expect someone will tell me that they don't have any of these things - just a dusty old book and a pot to piss in? Well, if they do have NOTHING and NOTHING can be obtained for exhibiting, then again; please discount my 'property' suggestion, as I agree billy, it becomes a pointless suggestion.

    #9856

    marlowe
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    A lot of ifs and buts there, gbl. Let's be clearer, what can and should we expect from TLF in the next year or so? What are they there to do if they end up with not much?

    #9857

    TheWolfman
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    Why don't the Foundation approach Chris Parsonage with a view to utilising either Robert's old studio or one of Mr Parsonage's other vacant properties on the Barbican? For the complete experience - the front end/Entrance of Robert's main studio has been To Let by a local agent for a very long time now at around £11k a year. Pair the entrance/library space with the studio space and order is restored for the time being at least...These properties have been empty for years now. It almost seems too logical.

    #9858

    marlowe
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    Wrong again Krauser, you need to check your facts. The front of the old studio isn't owned by Mr Parsonage and never has been.

    #9859

    TheWolfman
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    Wrong again Krauser, you need to check your facts. The front of the old studio isn't owned by Mr Parsonage and never has been.

    I didn't say it was. Let me break my post down for you '80s style -I mentioned asking Mr Parsonage about the studio space.Then I said 'For the complete experience - the front end/Entrance of Robert's main studio has been To Let by a local agent for a very long time...'I am well aware that Mr Parsonage owns the studio property and a number of others and also very aware that the 'front entrance' aka 25, The Parade was not owned by Mr Parsonage and that it had been To Let by Stratton Creber as an office space for some time now, occasionally even going under offer.Obviously you misread my post. It just seems to me to be a fairly easy thing to achieve...well if the money could be found anyway. One might expect that at least some of those who had spent any length of time around Robert in a working capacity would have learned a trick or two about achieving such an aim although I doubt it's a consideration.

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