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  • #6475

    Annie HillSmith
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    I am aware that the LBP is not working as it should and I understand some of the problem.

    #11105

    member555
    Keymaster

    Most annoying. The text pieces can be deleted but I have yet to find a way to delete the uploaded images. Not sure what to do really. Several administrator functions are not working properly (for well known reasons). I hope I can figure out a way.

    #11106

    sartre
    Participant

    Most annoying. The text pieces can be deleted but I have yet to find a way to delete the uploaded images. Not sure what to do really. Several administrator functions are not working properly (for well known reasons). I hope I can figure out a way.

    The site is moribund right now. I appreciate that you took it over as a labour of love and I know that running it costs money and takes time, but maybe you need to find someone to help you out on the technical front OR to take over the running of it entirely. (I'm not proposing myself by the way!) Another alternative would be to merge its contents into TLF's site? I really think we should start a discussion on this since both .org sites have gone very quiet these days and are clearly not keeping up. A webmaster needs to put some effort into initiating discussions, as Dave did when he ran the sites. I realise news is a little thin on the ground but there is almost no input from our webmaster here.

    #11107

    Francis
    Participant

    Another alternative would be to merge its contents into TLF's site?

    TLF will launch a new website dedicated to Robert's work (as opposed to the current Foundation website) before the Leipzig show. The intention is that it will become the definitive website for information and images on Robert. The Book Project was originally set up as a White Lane Press initiative, in collaboration with this site's Dave Goodwin, since at that time TLF's activity level was very low. A lot of time and work is currently being put into building the new site.

    #11108

    marlowe
    Participant

    since at that time TLF's activity level was very low.

    As in non-existent. 😉

    #11109

    Annie HillSmith
    Participant

    A few words about history ...This wonderful site was created by Dave Goodwin some time after Robert's death [a year?].

    #11110

    dutchmaster2
    Participant

    I was introduced to Robert's work about a year before his death. Since then it has been a debacle, the difficulties with the estate, the loss of almost all the work through the auctions, the ignorance of the British art establishment and the trend towards "modern" art have not helped Robert's cause. Not to mention the works lost a Chilford Hall.This site used to be a glue for all those interested in his art, binding us together to discuss together, yes argue ALOT together, but at least the discourse was mostly relevant and topical and created a buzz surrounding the artist, his work and life.TLF needed to take that on board and create a similar forum.We all want Robert to be successful, I've never known an artist to have accumulated fans almost like a football team....but that has been the effect.I have been to almost all the sales and when at the first Westpoint sale, I finally saw all of the canvases side by side I was really aghast. Breathtaking.I've seen art all over the world by some of the best artists, luckily I once saw a retrospective of all of Van Gogh's major works in Holland over 12 years ago. Lenkiewicz was in no way overshadowed and would easily hold his own in comparison to any major artist past or present.In terms of British art in the 20th century he has to be held in the same esteem as Hepworth, Freud, Bacon, Hockney, et al. He has made a record for future generations in painting and in his notes.This website was also a key reference for his legacy and needs to be archived a a social document.Let's hope that 2013 is the turning point for the future of his work.Recognition is long over due. 🙂

    #11111

    gbl
    Participant

    This website was also a key reference for his legacy and needs to be archived a a social document.

    On the positive side; even if this website becomes little used, it is still a great source of info, and I agree it could be a good social document/reference site by being broken down and repackaged in some way!Also, he was mentioned today a few times on BBC Radio Devon in connection to Plymouth's bid for the '2017 City of Culture'! If Plymouth is serious about 'culture' - not that there is much of it in Plymouth (or any at all for that matter!), then perhaps there might be some money available from the council to help towards restoring something of ROL's legacy? Even financial help towards a the new ROL website if it will save TLF money that TLF could spend on other aspects of ROL - such as the main Barbican mural or St. Saviours church etc. Just a thought!

    #11112

    marlowe
    Participant

    A few words about history ...This wonderful site was created by Dave Goodwin some time after Robert's death [a year?].

    #11113

    gbl
    Participant

    TLF will launch a new website dedicated to Robert's work (as opposed to the current Foundation website).......A lot of time and work is currently being put into building the new site.

    Francis, you previously complained (or mentioned) here that 'these days people are more interested in social media' when talking about the problems of promoting ROL's work to new audiences. As this is pretty much true, why not just create the new site in Facebook? That would combine the two, and also save a lot on cash and expertise!Besides, isn't there still a risk that any new official site will just incur the same dormancy as TLF's current offical site?

    #11114

    Annie HillSmith
    Participant

    TLF have a fb group.

    #11115

    Francis
    Participant

    Francis, you previously complained (or mentioned) here that 'these days people are more interested in social media' when talking about the problems of promoting ROL's work to new audiences. As this is pretty much true, why not just create the new site in Facebook? That would combine the two, and also save a lot on cash and expertise!Besides, isn't there still a risk that any new official site will just incur the same dormancy as TLF's current offical site?

    'Presenting information' was a great catchphrase of Robert's. As an educational charity, this is very much the position adopted by TLF, and there is vast difference between information and spin or 'swirl'. The current TLF website (none existed previously) is only intended to inform people about what TLF is, what's happening, where and when.

    #11116

    marlowe
    Participant

    There is a complex recursive loop around the issue of communication.

    #11117

    member555
    Keymaster

    I apologize for being so nearly non-existent on this site. After all, I have more responsibility for it than anyone else, as things are. Let me just try to elucidate a few issues.The huge problem with spam and bots corrupting in particular LBP can only be solved by experts on the programs on which the site is built. So far, I have been unable to find such expert, at least ones not costing zillions. Now there may be an opening, in that TLF has offered help. In connection with the Leipzig show, German experts are working with TLF to organize the internet exposure of the show. As the site is now, LBP is not an asset but more of an embarrassment if found by people looking for information on Lenkiewicz. It is possible that the site will be temporarily shut down, but there is also a chance that the German experts will look at the problem.LBP has no merit to stay up the day TLF has a working website with images and information on the projects. Almost all of the information now on LBP could be included in TLF's corresponding site. TLF has asked me for help, and I have offered it. It will, however, take time, and - speaking from experience - much more work than one can imagine.For those who wonder about the catalogue raisonnee, I can assure you that work continues on a daily basis. There are now 4600 works of art by Robert in it. The catalogue, as I have built it, is much more than a series of entries with images and titles. There are a thousand or more comments made by other people on the identification of sitters, date of production, and other circumstances. There are cross-references between a large number of works*, there are key-words and reverse inscriptions, references to sources of inspiration, to identified glimpses of paintings in films and documentaries and books, and so on. The "catalogue" is a database for research. In its present form, it cannot be made available on the Internet because of all the private information supplied by many people. TLF and I are discussing options on how to take relevant information from the catalogue and make it available on a TLF website. Francis can be more precise on this matter, but it will take time before anything can be said more firmly.Thanks for your continued interest, and for using this venue to discuss it.member 555*Example: The Plymouth Auction Rooms 17 March sale offers lot 53, Self Portrait with Swan. Actually, Robert painted two examples of this painting, inscribing the other one "Swan Song Irony. Self Portrait with Swan, One of Two". That one was offered by the same auction house in Dec 2008. Both paintings are related to the huge Caritas Romana canvas. And so on. By the way, take a look at the offers by The Plymouth Auction Rooms 17 March, they include some interesting pieces.

    #11118

    Annie HillSmith
    Participant

    Despite my dislike of the 'mud-slinging' that occasionally developed on dotorg in the past & my dislike of the anonymous thing .. I'd be sorry of the back-history with all its info. were to be lost. I don't altogether agree that the things that this site does could be subsumed under the new TLF site. The key difference of course would be its independence. I see this site as potentially a serious venue for consideration of Lenk related matters & I doubt that the TLF site will be able to do this.Glad to see that this flurry of chat has provoked you into comment!

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