Strange ROL? works on eBay

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    member555
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    Three drawings are now listed for sale on ebay, by seller orchardart (images attached). The seller claims that they are from the last Estate sale. They are large, but none of them has the Estate blindstamp. The style is strange for Robert who, admittedly, had a very wide range of style.In April and May the same seller tried to sell (also on eBay) a huge drawing (30 x 13 in) called "Study for mural of occult/Masonic imagery for a hotel in Brighton", also claimed to be from Westpoint, and also lacking the blindstamp. Again, the style does not point clearly to Lenkiewicz. See attached image. I contacted the seller who claimed that it was indeed from Westpoint, and said that it like many other drawings lacked a blindstamp. That is not my experience - even tiny drawings were blindstamped, and of my 65 drawings bought not a single one lacks the blindstamp.I went through every single drawing at Westpoint, and although I have surely forgotten most of them, I would have expected to remember at least some of the presently offered ones.Can anyone confirm that these are really by Robert's hand? I would hate fakes to sneak into my catalogue.

    #9995

    marlowe
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    I say you're right 555. They don't look like Robert at all, and I dont remember them either.

    #9996

    sartre
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    The mural design looks

    #9997

    art3366
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    Ask him what lot numbers they were and for a copy of his invoice from Bearnes? All the drawings had a stamp on them!!

    #9998

    gbl
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    I'd already asked the seller about a reciept, but didn't get an answer. I also don't recognise any of those drawings from looking through the Westpoint lots - the 'Head Study' looks particularly bad to me - even some of ROL's odder drawings in the sale didn't look that poor. All of those ebay drawings seem to be on 'pure white' paper - not faded at all, when practically ALL the Westpoint drawings were at least slightly browned. It all smells dodgy in my opinion!! Even the date/place of dispersal sale (ie; Westpoint 2008) has not been quoted - non committal very wise!!Anyway, there seems to be a number of bids regardles. So anyone buying drawings without any guarantees must be a MUG - caveat emptor

    #9999

    member555
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    I did receive a reply last time, when I asked about the “Mural” drawing, but this time he hasn't replied to my message. The only conclusion is that he is aware that the drawings are (or most likely are) not by ROL. Until proven otherwise, they will thus reside in the Rogue gallery of my database (3120 entries so far, and growing fast with real ROL works).

    #10000

    marlowe
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    is that 3120 fakes or real ones, 555?

    #10001

    member555
    Keymaster

    🙂 … actually, I kind of wish there were thousands of ROL fakes around – that would be the ultimate proof of his success as an artist. Nah, I just have the well-known fakes included (good for comparison), and all the rest are by Robert's hand.By the way, does anyone have a list of the paintings exhibited in the 1997 Retrospective? I am going through photos from the exhibition, and a list would help.

    #10002

    member555
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    More of the same, by the same hand, this time auctioned on 30 July by Golding Young & Co., Grantham, lots 208, 209, 210. They're probably not even deliberate fakes. Just the scraps from some amateur (or pro ...), could be 50 years old, now sold by some unscrupulous person as ROLs. Sad.

    #10003

    gbl
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    Well, have a look at LOT 210 – a woman reclining 'with no head', it looks exactly the same 'style' as your previous ebay photo ebay3.jpg – 'woman with no head'! see any similarities? even the paper has exactly the same creases around the body! All too similar? But at least these ones seem to have got the old forgers treatment of putting them in the oven for few minutes for that nice brown 'Leonardo Da Vinci look'. Or perhaps its just sepia ink on these ones.

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