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  • #10620

    old friend
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    Good to see a thread buzzing.

    #10621

    marlowe
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    I think the point is being missed. Isn't this forum (as an obviously interested group of individuals in Robert's work) being asked what it thinks TLF's main purpose in being a charity is? Krauser seems interested in nothing apart from the paintings as paintings and Old Friend warns against trying to educate. Yet as far as I know TLF was set up as an educational charity to continue Robert's life interest in 'provoking thought'. If it doesn't do that one way or another, what's the point of the charity? 🙁

    #10622

    TheWolfman
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    Krauser seems interested in nothing apart from the paintings as paintings

    Not seems, is. As I have stated many times before but that is my preference and of no real consequence. Think of my contributions to this thread as that of a layman and the main crux of my comments merely intended to encourage the need for the TLF to reach as many people as possible without alienating potentially interested parties with information that they may find difficult to otherwise absorb. I could use an analogy which ended with the words 'no Vaseline' to much the same affect. The TLF should absolutely be promoting the life and ideas of Robert Lenkiewiez but would seem to be underutilising their best resource. The paintings, surely the draw here, are of a proven quality and internationally recognised whereas everything else is not. The apparent willingness to disregard the best possible resource in trying to garner support and inform people of other aspects of Robert's life and work rather than piggyback said resource in order to reach more people would seem to present some interesting issues. Is this route due to the lack of work in the foundations possession and if Robert never picked up a paintbrush would his views and other work be anywhere near as important? Ahead of this topic closing I want to wish the TLF every success going forward.

    #10623

    TLF
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    Ahead of this topic closing I want to wish the TLF every success going forward.

    Thanks a lot, Krauser. I assume everyone on this forum shares the desire to see Robert's work better known and more appreciated. It's TLF's responsibility to make it happen.

    ...but it does seem that the TLF are already on a set road and have come here to have that route 'approved'.

    That's not the case Krauser but it would be disturbing indeed if TLF hadn't already considered these issues at length. Your contribution sums up the approach that I have termed 'The Robert Lenkiewicz Appreciation Society' and it's a perfectly valid argument. Essentially this would see a Lenkiewicz Museum established and the 'education' would be entirely about information on Lenkiewicz. Whether this is enough for charitable status is another matter.The opposite view, expressed by others here, prefers Lenkiewicz the collector, thinker and philanthropist. This would see the resource of the collection used to pursue some of Robert's own intellectual interests - reading rooms, aesthetic appreciation, studios, relief to the underprivileged etc. (though where the money is coming from for this doesn't appear to have been addressed so far).What I am suggesting by the 'encourage sociological and philosophical enquiry through the

    #10624

    WEB WEAVER
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    Before the thread comes to a close this weekend, I'd like to put forward the following for debate: that the main objective of TLF should be something along the lines of 'to encourage sociological and philosophical enquiry through the life, work and ideas of Robert Lenkiewicz'.I would add that this form of wording has not yet been put before the TLF trustees but comes from where the discussion started and then listening to some of the views expressed here.

    Is the main objective being proposed by TLF in fact more of a Mission Statement? A Mission Statement could be composed of a few sentances if necessary. Once the Mission Statement is agreed, the objectives can follow from it.

    #10625

    TLF
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    Once the Mission Statement is agreed, the objectives can follow from it.

    #10626

    TLF
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    Why not build on Robert's abilities to captivate an audience and for self-publicity?...In my opinion from what I know and have read here TLF as they stand will never have the drive to take the maverick approach to marketing Robert Lenkiewicz in order to create the spectacle necessary to engage a new and contemporary audience.

    These phrases sound like meaningless fashionable cliches to me. They are also very much about 'how' rather than 'what', which is the point of this debate. Robert never conceived of TLF as being about charades but continuing his interest in the human condition - or as I quoted before, 'sociological and philosophical enquiry by visual means'. And that is precisely what TLF intends to achieve.

    #10627

    TheWolfman
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    Why not build on Robert's abilities to captivate an audience and for self-publicity?...In my opinion from what I know and have read here TLF as they stand will never have the drive to take the maverick approach to marketing Robert Lenkiewicz in order to create the spectacle necessary to engage a new and contemporary audience.

    These phrases sound like meaningless fashionable cliches to me. They are also very much about 'how' rather than 'what', which is the point of this debate. Robert never conceived of TLF as being about charades but continuing his interest in the human condition - or as I quoted before, 'sociological and philosophical enquiry by visual means'. And that is precisely what TLF intends to achieve.

    One thing I would like to address before this topic closes. You state above that - 'These phrases sound like meaningless fashionable clichés to me.' There are also a couple of other instances whereupon 'me' or 'I' have been used in responses by the foundation. My question is are the responses here attributed to TLF the opinion of one person or are they filtered through the collective whole? Given that personal opinion has been raised I would also be intrigued to know who we are conversing with.As the thread has progressed there seems to have been a growing number of people voicing concerns over certain aspects of the foundations development, or perceived lack there of. Each time there has been a response from the 'TLF' with a fairly rigid stance reiterating where the foundation stands with seemingly no room for flexibility. In an earlier post TLF wrote: 'Essentially the task is to come up with a clear statement of WHAT TLF does and WHY it does it. After that HOW it achieves it and WHO it does it for become the next considerations.'It is concerning if after all this time the members that make up TLF do not know what it does and why it does it and raises the questions about what is going on and whether future support is productive under the current regime. Despite access to some proven business minds as well as those close to Robert when he was alive it appears that the foundation is floundering and reactive rather than proactive, shying away from the kind of public support that has kept the Lenkiewicz market buoyant. No grass roots campaign to save 25, the Parade other than a bit of piss and vinegar in the Herald weeks ago. Is the foundation afraid at this point to get it's hands dirty? The wish to promote ideas above actual paintings despite the acceptance of this necessary evil and the lack of contact with the common people in Plymouth who, let's be honest, probably still don't realise the Foundation exists after all these years is very telling. Is it necessary to always appear to be asking for help or advice with your hands out. Good pictures of the mural can be sourced to aid with the previously planned restoration. Saving the 'studio' space likely requires a more concentrated effort showing public disapproval of the South West Image Banks planned usage - including whether it would hinder their business. They need bigger premises but 25, The Parade would not be adequate for long. There is also increased publicity and tourism possibilities to the area and with it increased spending if the TLF return to what is surely their spiritual home - especially if some form of mural restoration is forthcoming. Speaking of which, if the toys are thrown out of the pram should the foundation not regain use of the building will plans to restore the mural be scrapped? Is the foundation somehow embarrassed by Robert Lenkiewicz or is it simply unable in it's current guise to properly promote it? Is it that there is simply too much work across different genres which muddies the waters, paintings, aesthetic notes, writing, books etc. Who the foundation does it for is simple - everyone. Men, women, children, local, national and international. Now that that is out of the way you can work out how you would reach everyone and what it is you want to reach them with, although that is already pre-planned as TLF has mentioned.I am sure there is an awful lot that goes on behind the scenes and I would also hazard a guess that most if not all members work very hard but maybe without focus. There are so many positives and yet so many self enforced roadblocks to manage that often time sit appears although the end is in sight. My fingers are crossed that everything works out - actually that's TLF talk so I'll rephrase that to - my fingers are crossed that the foundation makes things work out. Little fate involved, mainly focus and drive.

    #10628

    marlowe
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    It seems, from the subtext at least, that TLF is becoming something that it was never intended to be......

    Yawn, yawn.

    #10629

    gbl
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    Everyone? Most of the population, and more so in Plymouth, never enter a museum or art gallery. Are you expecting that to change?

    #10630

    TLF
    Participant

    Let me take your points in turn, Krauser.1.

    #10631

    TheWolfman
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    Everyone? Most of the population, and more so in Plymouth, never enter a museum or art gallery. Are you expecting that to change?

    #10632

    marlowe
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    But they do watch television, use the internet, read or listen to the radio.

    But according to you K. I thought they needed to see the real thing?

    And it's brains not barins.

    That's Edukashun for you! 😉

    That in your opinion the majority or 'they' as you so eloquently put it do not visit a museum or gallery is really neither here nor.

    there?

    #10633

    TheWolfman
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    Let me take your points in turn, Krauser.1.

    #10634

    TheWolfman
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    But according to you K. I thought they needed to see the real thing?

    I said what and where now? Of course anything is preferably to nothing and to put things into context I meant I would be more interested in visiting a museum full of paintings rather than a museum full of books, notes and the like. A personal view of course. That said, I would be receptive to Robert's other work and ideas presented through a less direct delivery method than the one to one experience. Perhaps I am softening up in my old age but it might be fair to say that whilst I want to see his paintings I would like to hear his ideas.

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