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    TheWolfman
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    TLF news from today's evening Herald –http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Lenkiewicz-museum-end-Bristol-London-Exeter-instead-Plymouth/article-2531026-detail/article.htmlLooks like the museum might now be headed in another direction, up country! Bristol might work but let's face it, in London Robert's work is not exactly highly regarded and he might appear little more than a curio or small fish in a very big pond. Whilst still a curio in the South West he is certainly a much bigger fish. To be honest I am not sure whether this is a good thing or a bad thing but can't help thinking the toys came out of the pram again when 25, the Parade became less of an option. Regardless of the potential, and a move away from Plymouth could be make or break, it seems a fairly knee jerk reaction to pull Robert out of Plymouth altogether rather than seek alternate accommodation here. Maybe Chris Parsonage might be able to help as he has property available on the Barbican?A risky business indeed, albeit interesting and potentially a ruse of course. Nothing to stop the TLF having several bases of course...well except money perhaps!

    #10651

    TLF
    Participant

    Looks like the museum might now be headed in another direction, up country!

    The bottom line here is that if the old studio or other suitable premises aren't available in Plymouth, then we will have to consider alternatives. Reaching new audiences indeed...Ironically this story runs side by side with this one:http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/City-s-bid-target-tourists/article-2529747-detail/article.htmlPlease get in now if you wish to comment further, this thread will end tonight or tomorrow.

    #10652

    WEB WEAVER
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    Mission Statement – example:Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.- contains vision.Key Objective - Google result = Key objectives? - Having a main objective then, seems to be an obscure concept.Conclusion - The key objective proposed will only make make sense as part of a broader Mission Statement encompassing the other aims as stated earlier in the thread. Also the text of any main objective needs to be in plain English so Joe Public can easily understand it. The text should include "painter" or "paintings" as ROL was first and foremost a painter. His paintings were of an "academic" nature. What is unique about ROL is this "academic exploration" of the human condition by visual and alternative means.

    #10653

    Annie HillSmith
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    Hard to know what to say.

    #10654

    WEB WEAVER
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    I think “Relationships” would be a good theme with an educational value for a future exhibition. Relationships being the theme of many of the projects. Traditional values for relationships were swept away in the swinging 60's. The ephemeral nature of love is examined through the Lenkiewicz "Death" imagery. Themes such as obsession, withdrawl and absence are expored. Often people often reach a point in their relationships where they need to decide whether it is better to sick or twist. There are consequences for either course of action. Best to educate the public so they can make a more informed choice.

    #10655

    TLF
    Participant

    OK Annie, let's just take a closer look at the existing Objects:(1) To advance the education of the public in aesthetic appreciation and the study of human behaviour:I, for one, don't really understand what this means. How do you advance education in aesthetic appreciation and how do you assess if you've achieved it? How does this sentence work? Is it also 'to advance the education of the public...in the study of human behaviour'? What does that mean?• By the maintenance and provision of a library containing the collection of books, writings, paintings and other artefacts of Robert Lenkiewicz: In what sense are the paintings and artefacts part of the library?• By the education, encouragement, funding, teaching and training of artists and scholars who wish to undertake research into human behaviour or to improve their artistic or philosophical standards or tastes: • By making available reading rooms, studios and other facilities for the use and benefit of such persons: Who are these artists and scholars? What are the selection criteria? What is research into human behaviour and how do you know if they are improving their artistic or, even more so, their philosophical tastes? Even if it were clarified, could this type of provision ever have been afforded? Who was going to supervise and run it?• By acquiring and preserving for the benefit of the public books, paintings, and artefacts of antiquity, rarity of significant value relevant to the study of human behaviour. Again what would be the criteria? And where was the money coning from?(2) To provide relief to the poor, the infirm and the aged and in particular by the provision of a Christmas Day meal in the City of Plymouth.I think this has been well covered but even if the Xmas dinner was provided, how would you have gone about providing relief to the poor, the infirm and the aged?Even if these Objects were once viable, are they now? And what role was Robert's work going to play in it all? I'd be interested to hear the thought process behind it all.

    #10656

    TheWolfman
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    • By the maintenance and provision of a library containing the collection of books, writings, paintings and other artefacts of Robert Lenkiewicz: In what sense are the paintings and artefacts part of the library?

    To be fair it says a library and not the library. I took it to mean a library or body of work and not the library (of books). One easily sourced definition reads: A library is a collection of sources, resources, and services, and the structure in which it is housed; it is organized for use and maintained by a public body, an institution, or a private individual.I could go into detail about the validity of each of the original criteria as well as provide reasons and resources to counterpoint, what in my opinion, are rather poorly judged and nitpicking arguments against but I am tired and no doubt Annie would do a much better job even if I wasn't. The fact that such poorly judged and stagnant responses have been published in a public forum would seem to undermine the current standing of the TLF which I now find lacking. Quite honestly I have gone from being hopeful for the future of the foundation to being frankly nonplussed by this new agenda. I sincerely hope to be proved wrong.I think Robert said it best in the title of the following piece...7185fcbtheblindle.jpg

    #10657

    TLF
    Participant

    Quite honestly I have gone from being hopeful for the future of the foundation to being frankly nonplussed by this new agenda. I sincerely hope to be proved wrong.

    I think that probably tells you everything about the different approach from the present board. I would also say that progress over the last two years - exhibitions at the Ben Uri, Plymouth Museum, the RWA to come, plus associated events, and a first TLF website etc- has already proved you wrong!Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the debate ad those who have followed it. The issues raised will be discussed by the trustees in the course of forming an ongoing strategy. I hope we see everyone at the RWA next year!

    #10658

    marlowe
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    As we still seem to be going:

    I took it to mean a library or body of work and not the library (of books).I could go into detail about the validity of each of the original criteria as well as provide reasons and resources to counterpoint, what in my opinion, are rather poorly judged and nitpicking arguments against but I am tired and no doubt Annie would do a much better job even if I wasn't.

    I've never heard of a 'library of work' which wasn't meaning books but Krauser, do I read into this that you were once a trustee too? And I thought you're not interested in Robert's ideas??

    #10659

    TheWolfman
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    I've never heard of a 'library of work' which wasn't meaning books

    A decent search engine or thesaurus might prove useful or even enlightening. Politely, regardless of what you personally may or may not be aware of, the definition is as stated.

    Krauser, do I read into this that you were once a trustee too?

    Quite wrong.

    The 'I can't be bothered to offer an argument' line generally means in my experience someone hasn't got one!

    There is no point in arguing over the internet, it's akin to spitting in the wind and almost always achieves nothing. I was simply quite exhausted and therefore felt it more important to rest. At no point was I ever 'not bothered as you wrongly implied. I do find it interesting that you feel the need to assume or read into things that simply aren't based in fact whilst offering your own soundbites.

    Roll on the RWA! And let's hope Bristol finally gives Robert the recognition he deserves if Plymouth's not interested any more.

    And one would absolutely hope that the Bristol exhibition is a success as judging by talk of additional works being borrowed it will be a much bigger and better showing than the minimalistic display offered to Plymouthians. It's not that Plymouth isn't interested it's just that the toys have been thrown out of the pram and are now being taken elsewhere to play.

    #10660

    gbl
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    Roll on the RWA! And

    #10661

    Annie HillSmith
    Participant

    These are old memories. Some more than 20 years.

    #10662

    Frank
    Participant

    Please don’t let this post distract from Annie’s – Hers is important enough on its own. But I am sufficiently alarmed to take this thread seriously now.

    TLF wrote:
    To advance the education of the public in aesthetic appreciation and the study of human behaviour:I, for one, don't really understand what this means. How do you advance education in aesthetic appreciation and how do you assess if you've achieved it? How does this sentence work? Is it also 'to advance the education of the public...in the study of human behaviour'? What does that mean?I guess it never really occurred to me that TLF didn’t understand what Robert was suggesting, let alone be prepared to change something it didn’t understand.Aesthetics from a Lenkiewicz perspective are intrinsically linked to addiction and addiction is a prime influencer of human behaviour. I won’t quote the obvious from Robert, but if you consider something as beautiful (take the Female form) and then distil some specific aesthetic quality (the fullness of the lips, the symmetry of the face, the colour of the hair) then in the presence of those aesthetics you may feel (sensory) pleasure or pain. Robert felt, throughout his life that human behaviour (certainly in extremis where it is most visible) could be understood as a process of aesthetic addiction. Aesthetic appreciation can be taught and professed as a matter of taste in Art as something beyond sensory discrimination (Hume) (There are no perfect breasts, just the ones you prefer) to a level that Robert aspired when he suggested that even the willingness of one human to help another was garnered through an Aesthetic process of attraction. Can this be advanced through education, yes of course. How would you know if you succeeded? The cash tills will ring, and people like Krauser would realise and gain please from enlightened understanding.

    gbl wrote:
    But seriously, I suggested 'death' as it tends to broadly encompass most of the work ROL did, so in that respect it would be quite versatile. But as I write, I can't really think of a cheerful

    #10663

    TheWolfman
    Participant

    The cash tills will ring, and people like Krauser would realise and gain please from enlightened understanding.

    I really wouldn't. I already understand I just chose not to engage with the work beyond the visual - much to the chagrin of many it seems. Doesn't prevent me from investing time with the work or spending money and perhaps most importantly it doesn't stop me from enjoying the work.I really feel I have to be educated in Robert's thought process to enjoy the paintings. No point cramming my noggin with information I don't want or necessarily need even if I am not 'seeing the whole'. Anyway, this is somewhat off topic.I did very much enjoy the remainder of your commentary though.

    #10664

    marlowe
    Participant

    Aesthetics from a Lenkiewicz perspective are intrinsically linked to addiction and addiction is a prime influence Robert felt, throughout his life that human behaviour (certainly in extremis where it is most visible) could be understood as a process of aesthetic addiction.

    Aha The Lenkiewicz Gospel according to St Frank!!

    Aesthetics from a Lenkiewicz perspective are intrinsically linked to addiction and addiction is a prime influencer of human behaviour.

    Surely the education is not to convert Krauser to Lenkiewicz's way of thinking but to explain it to him. It won't make him a better person.

    I did very much enjoy the remainder of your commentary though.

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