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  • #10680

    Annie HillSmith
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    Re Diogenes ... I believe he left school very young and was experiencing difficulties in 'fitting in' from an early stage in his life. In other words he was one of those people that Robert was especially drawn to ... an outsider.

    #10681

    Annie HillSmith
    Participant

    Just a quick 'aside' ... because this site is NOT a TLF site and is completely independent ... I think 555, who runs the site, can leave the thread running if he wishes. TLF of course can draw a line under their viewing of it.

    #10682

    TLF
    Participant

    Re dotorg. I'm surprised to see Francis saying that TLF was instrumental in setting it up with Dave Goodwin as I was on the Board at the time and, even though I was enthusiastic about dotorg, I'm pretty sure we had no hand in setting it up.

    I'm referring to the image gallery and the Book Project, Annie. As I said before in another thread, this was based on White Lane Press' image archive and information. The website itself was purely down to Dave Goodwin.Over and out...

    #10683

    TheWolfman
    Participant

    What happened to the post that was advertised last year - something along the lines of a gallery and exhibitions officer?

    Pay attention Krauser, that's what that brain is for. 🙂 Does this ring any bells?

    Perhaps I should have made this clearer to prevent sarcastic recourse. The question was rhetorical. Francis has mentioned that the board is staffed entirely by volunteers and that finances and resources are stretched as a result yet TLF advertised last year for paid staff for a position that doesn't exist in a location that is still yet to be determined. My point being that if a person was hired at that time and paid since that time it would have literally been money wasted. Not a great confidence builder.

    #10684

    TheWolfman
    Participant

    I think that you are all making this too complicated and attacking the TLF for something beyond its control, which to be fair the TLF had it's hands tied for so long. How could it hope to promote Robert's work when they didn't know the exact amount of physical assets which the executor was leaving to them. An impossible job. Give them time to work out a strategy with the assets which they have left and to attain any loan works for future promotion.

    It's a fairly sweeping remark that you 'are all making this too complicated and attacking the TLF'. All? Personally I don't see debate as attack but you are entitled to your opinion. In fact this single topic has been most enlightening and I belive productive. I would agree with Annie that it would be a shame to see it close although I feel it would quickly prove much less active without TLF input.In response to the second part of your statement I will say this, It has been eight years since Robert dies and the estate is only just being finalised. Disregarding the time the foundation was active prior to Robert's passing, eight years is plenty of time to work out strategy covering all bases and possible outcomes. The development of a regularly updated business plan is another time proven asset. Given the time lapsed perhaps it would have been prudent to approach the owners of Lenkiewicz works with a view to gaining permission to using images for promotional purposes. Of course it may be the case that this has happened but if so, why haven't they been made available for public consumption via the resources currently available to the foundation - the website for example.Speaking of the website, I really am hard pushed to see the necessity of a second website from the foundation especially as it is cited as being time consuming and expensive. I was also intrigued by the following statement which set alarm bells ringing about whether the .org and/or Book Project site would be closed, perhaps at the request of the foundation. What happens when the 'time being' passes?

    For the time being we're happy for this website to fill the gap, especially as we were instrumental in setting it up with Dave Goodwin.

    #10685

    marlowe
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    Given the time lapsed perhaps it would have been prudent to approach the owners of Lenkiewicz works with a view to gaining permission to using images for promotional purposes.

    As one small owner of a few paintings, I can tell that you don't understand that the copyright owner (here TLF) doesn't need to ask anyone's permission. But they do need the photographs. 😉

    What happened to the post that was advertised last year - something along the lines of a gallery and exhibitions officer?

    Francis has mentioned that the board is staffed entirely by volunteers and that finances and resources are stretched as a result yet TLF advertised last year for paid staff for a position that doesn't exist in a location that is still yet to be determined. My point being that if a person was hired at that time and paid since that time it would have literally been money wasted.

    'exhibitions officer' - big exhibition in Bristol -I think Francis was suggesting there may be a connection. ::)

    #10686

    TheWolfman
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    As one small owner of a few paintings, I can tell that you don't understand that the copyright owner (here TLF) doesn't need to ask anyone's permission. But they do need the photographs. 😉

    You are assuming and twisting my words for the sake of an argument which you won't find. I fully understand copyright issues pertaining to artwork thank you very much and stand by my original comment as written.

    'exhibitions officer' - big exhibition in Bristol -I think Francis was suggesting there may be a connection. ::)

    The job was advertised in July 2009, well over a year ago and

    #10687

    billy budd
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    Krauser,In spite of what the initial advert said, the job description made clear that the post was actually a fixed-term, 2 year contract, hence my concern expressed earlier in this thread over the longer term plans and sustainability of the centre project.By now, I should imagine, all the candidates interviewed have moved on to pastures new.

    #10688

    TLF
    Participant

    By now, I should imagine, all the candidates interviewed have moved on to pastures new.

    Billy, I thought I'd covered that one quite clearly:

    TLF advertised late last year for a gallery manager/exhibitions officer, short-listing four candidates but because of the delay in being able to appoint, the personal circumstances of our chosen candidate altered at the last moment and no appointment has yet been made. We intend to re-advertise in the near future.

    The job was advertised in July 2009, well over a year ago and

    #10689

    TheWolfman
    Participant

    Again Krauser, we've been negotiating the RWA show for over a year, so not 'ahead of current plans' at all.

    Ahead of current plans does not mean just the proposed Bristol show otherwise I would have stated as much - unless that is the only current plan? Such limited one track thinking is besides the point, if you had hired someone in July 2009 the foundation would have been wasting money as this employee would have been sat on their hands. Also the initial job criteria clearly states that it was for TLF's own premises and IF the role was on a two year fixed term contract it would have barely covered next year's Bristol show if at all. The fact that the role was apparently revised between the initial and full job description speaks volumes on the lack of direction. Anything is else is revisionist history.I look forward to the Bristol show and once again thank Francis for answering questions here.

    #10690

    TLF
    Participant

    Krauser the post was advertised to coincide with what we thought would be the winding up of the estate last year. The delay I mentioned occurred because of an unforeseen complication with HMRC (totally outside of TLF's control). We therefore put back the second interview process for the short-listed candidates. We couldn't have wasted money because until the end of last month, we didn't have any! All candidates were kept up to date with events and were happy with that. In terms of them being 'sat on their hands' I can assure you that the trustees would prefer that the many, many hours they put in voluntarily were done by a paid employee. Sadly we haven't been able to afford that but that hasn't stopped us with exhibitions etc.In terms of 'revised' plans, I can assure you that all plans are subject to revision - and quite rightly as circumstances change re the estate. Tax and legal issues could mean a substantially different financial outcome even now.

    #10691

    TheWolfman
    Participant

    Krauser the post was advertised to coincide with what we thought would be the winding up of the estate last year. The delay I mentioned occurred because of an unforeseen complication with HMRC (totally outside of TLF's control). We therefore put back the second interview process for the short-listed candidates. We couldn't have wasted money because until the end of last month, we didn't have any! All candidates were kept up to date with events and were happy with that. In terms of them being 'sat on their hands' I can assure you that the trustees would prefer that the many, many hours they put in voluntarily were done by a paid employee. Sadly we have't been able to afford that but that hasn't stopped us with exhibitions etc.In terms of 'revised' plans, I can assure you that all plans are subject to revision - and quite rightly as circumstances change re the estate. Tax and legal issues could mean a substantially different financial outcome even now.

    Thank you for the clarification. As you mentioned that you didn't have any money at the time I wonder was the post subsidised otherwise how was the foundation planning to actually pay the salary offered? Anyway, no point dwelling in the past - onward and upward! Thanks again.

    #10692

    TLF
    Participant

    Thank you for the clarification. As you mentioned that you didn't have any money at the time I wonder was the post subsidised otherwise how was the foundation planning to actually pay the salary offered? Anyway, no point dwelling in the past - onward and upward! Thanks again.

    Just to clarify further: the post was intended to start to coincide with what we believed would be the winding-up. 25 The Parade was being made ready for us and the RWA show was on the cards. We wanted to get up and running quickly and have someone in post from day one (day one being the day we had some money to pay them). Things don't always work out the way you would like - especially in a complex legal minefield. So you have to adjust accordingly. The estate is still unresolved but we have exerted pressure to achieve a partial distribution of assets so we can at least do something.

    #10693

    dutchmaster2
    Participant

    Hi fellow readers,This post has thrown up some great debating points.The current position of Robert's work/reputation reminds me of one El Greco.On Wikipedia there was a summation that if you replaced the name El Greco with Lenkiewicz it wouldn't seem out of place:=================Posthumous fame of El GrecoEl Greco - (probably a combination of the Castilian and the Italian language for "The Greek",[α] 1541 – April 7, 1614) was a prominent painter, sculptor and architect of the Spanish Renaissance, whose dramatic and expressionistic style was met with puzzlement by his contemporaries but found appreciation in the 20th century.El Greco was disdained by the immediate generations after his death because his work was opposed in many respects to the principles of the early baroque style which came to the fore near the beginning of the 17th century and soon supplanted the last surviving traits of the 16th century Mannerism.[1] El Greco was deemed incomprehensible and had no important followers.[2] Only his son and a few unknown painters produced weak copies of his works. Late 17th and early 18th century Spanish commentators praised his skill but criticized his antinaturalistic style and his complex iconography. Some of these commentators, such as Acislo Antonio Palomino de Castro y Velasco and Ceán Bermúdez described his mature work as "contemptible", "ridiculous" and "worthy of scorn".[3]The views of Palomino and Bermúdez were frequently repeated in Spanish historiography, adorned with terms such as "strange", "queer", "original", "eccentric" and "odd".[4] The phrase "sunk in eccentricity", often encountered in such texts, in time developed into "madness".====Eccentric....not following the work of his contemporaries, complex themes! Sound familiar?Current generations may not appreciate Robert's work.Maybe because the art critics have already committed themselves to Abstract Expressionism so totally in the 20th C they would be a bit silly to fall back on a portrait painter and laud his work...not going to happen in our lifetime.Eventually the critics of today will be gone and a new generation will be able to look back with fresh insight and be able to finally sort out the childish dross which clutters the nation's galleries from real talent.Shame that most of us will not be around to see that day.Enjoy your day

    #10694

    member555
    Keymaster

    This has been a great thread. I thank TLF and Francis Mallett for a fine initiative, and I thank all participants for a stimulating debate. From the beginning, it was stated that there would be a two-week limit to this thread. Due to my move and inability to access the Internet during the last week, this thread has been allowed to continue for some time. Many interesting posts have been made during the last week, and there seems to be a need for continued debate.

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