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  • in reply to: Cap’n Jasper artist to restore Lenkiewicz mural #7053

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    TOMTIT

    You always astound me at your ability to write such idiotic remarks. That said, your shorter works are better than your laboured diatribes

    It is obvious that you are incapable of being polite or have any regard for others sensibilities. It is entirely possible that neither Yana, Wolfe or Louise would want to paint a mural. All said was, wouldn't it be wonderful if they were to.

    Perhaps you may give them the opportunity to speak for themselves. Or are you their agent?

    All I would say is that I think your nom -de- plume is very appropriate. But can I suggest that you amend it by removing the first three letters?

    Also these remarks from ALLAREWELCOME are also in the same class. I hope you remove it Dave. People once said the same about Dali and funnily enough Robert Lenkiewicz, Turner, Goya, etc etc.......

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    in reply to: Cap’n Jasper artist to restore Lenkiewicz mural #7050

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    The problem here is that all opinions are valid, but it would seem few are qualified!

    Now don't get me wrong, I think that both sides have valid points. I would opt for leaving it alone personally. It is the nature of this kind of work to decay.

    Perhaps it would be much better for the owner of the building to offer the site to other artists by form of a competition.

    A mural by Yana, Wolfe or Louise Courtnell would be fantastic.


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    in reply to: ROBERT LENKIEWICZ. HIS MASTERPIECE? #7101

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    Two good answers except I did say his Masterpiece, Eleventh. You have listed three!!

    I take your response as a vote for St Antony. I also know the painting of the girls mentioned. I have also seen a picture of the girl with cerebral palsy's brother. He is about four or five stood on a red chair with a sailors hat on. His face is very lived in for one so young. Robert could capture a spirits suffering and joy equally.

    Perhaps Dave Goodwin might consider putting a page in the gallery of the pictures mentioned if this thread proves popular.

    in reply to: Warhol Lesson for Lenkiewicz Estate #6884

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    Esther

    Fisher Mckenzie did more to bring Robert's work to the fore than almost anything else (perhaps even more than NEC exhibition).

    Whether you and Anna earned £500 or £6000 a month was your and Robert's business, and nobody else's.

    I can't understand all this criticism to be honest. Why these people think they have the right to publish such outlandish and hurtful things is beyond me.

    You and Anna did your best on his behalf, just ignore the snipers as best you can.

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    in reply to: Warhol Lesson for Lenkiewicz Estate #6880

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    What fun!! Thanks to Triangle and Neon for some well informed intelligent comment.

    It is a shame that Esther always gets so much stick. At least she says who she is!! And she has climbed a mountain for the foundation, literally.

    Postings like this make me weep......

    IF YOU WERE, AS YOU VERY PROUDLY CLAIM, IN ROBERT'S INNER CIRCLE, YOU MUST HAVE SEEN ALL THIS CHAOS COMING, COULDN'T YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT?


    Do some peole actually read what is posted? Perhaps not!

    in reply to: Warhol Lesson for Lenkiewicz Estate #6866

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    tomtit

    you are confusing lots of things here. The estate and the foundation are separate entities.

    Yes, many of the prints were published by Fisher McKenzie but this would not have precluded Robert from giving the Foundation rights to publish and receive the proceeds from a print of one of his works. He NEVER did this! Other parties were given rights to publish prints by Robert. They would have paid him for such rights. If you think Robert never benefitted from the sale of prints through Fisher Mckenzie then i think you maybe mistaken.

    You seem to miss the points bring made each time I post anything. But never mind.

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    in reply to: Warhol Lesson for Lenkiewicz Estate #6863

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    I take no offence from what you have written.

    I don't think you read what I wrote that carefully, that's all. The Lenkiewicz Foundation has little money! Robert didn't give them any paintings in his lifetime or even the profits from one of his prints, as I understand it. Remember Robert was a dreamer. Of course he wanted all of it to stay together, but he didn't put in place the mechanisms for this to be possible after his death.

    As I understand it the executors have no money, just debts, paintings, books, properties, etc. All the debts and liabilities have to be settled first before the Trust gets anything. I expect their to be very little left to be honest. The longer it takes the executors and their advisors to sort things out the higher the fees for one thing.

    Funding from any public body, be it the arts council to the lottery fund for this kind of project will only award on like for like basis. That is a pound for pound and in some circumstances to a multiple of up to five is possible. But you have to have money in the first place to get funding! The council or its officers couldn't give a jot about a Lenkiewicz centre for the reasons I gave. The only way it will happen is for a private interest to give the foundation some money. Now that Paul Getty has gone as well, a slim chance. Are there any rich dynasties based in Plymouth? Any suggestions?

    Robert could have built a much wider audience and higher profile for his work while he was alive. But he chose not to, for whatever reasons. He always said he wasn't that interested in the art establishment. He thought them to be all a load freeloaders and parasites on artists like himself. He was only interested in his work, his collections, getting people going (was this a big part of his work)! and sex.

    The work speaks for itself and one day (I believe) will be recognised for its quality. This will take time though.

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    in reply to: Warhol Lesson for Lenkiewicz Estate #6861

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    Robert loved to watch people reacting to situations he caused. Comments about him turning in his grave, etc. is sheer nonsense. He would (if there is such a thing as an afterlife) be laughing at what he has caused.

    Robert had every opportunity to sort out his estate before he died. He did not die suddenly, as we all know, he had had heart problems for over a decade. He was not interested in sorting it out, as it would have cost money! He would have had to disclose the tangled web of money, possessions, property, books and of course, his dependants. Robert would not have made these disclosures and secondly preferred to have spent any available funds on books and other things that attracted his acquisitive nature.

    He cared about his work and his books, but openly said he loved no-one. So why would he worry about anyone's feelings after he died? So please don't worry about his now he has sadly departed.

    It is also nonsense to say that in order for an artist to leave a legacy, a body of the artist's work must exist in one place. I can think of only a few artists that have such a legacy.

    And that's the point really. Robert was one of this country's finest painters. He was the Maestro. But he wasn't interested in the establishment and conforming to normal rules. He didn't recognise authority, the law, taxes, etc. So it is therefore unkind to accuse his executors, etc. of incompetence. All involved are probably doing their best under very difficult circumstances. I would imagine that once they think they are getting somewhere in sorting things out, that another load of claims and complications present themselves. Whatever they do will not change Robert's legacy one way or the other. In fact I believe that the best thing that could happen is for most of the work to be sold. It will then find a wider audience and the work will reach the greater prominence it deserves. It is entirely possible that one day some of his finer pieces will be purchased by major collections. Then just watch the prices shoot up. The foundation has two paintings it purchased itself a few years ago. They are not of his best work. If he wanted the foundation to hold his legacy he could have given it more during his lifetime. In fact if you were to be brutal all he gave them was his name and some small encouragement. Big deal.

    So please let's not have any more outpourings about Robert being 'used." He had a wonderful life and was a wonderful man, but he wasn't perfect. He did his share of using people, like a master from what some of his associates have told me.

    There isn't a Lenkiewicz centre in Plymouth because Robert spent a lot of time and effort making the city's administrators lives as difficult as he could. He loved to get them all going. He took the piss out of them all, without mercy. They hated him and probably still do. Why do you think ordinary people loved him?

    Let's just always celebrate a fantastic life and a legacy of wonderful work. And also remember he was a great prankster. His "estate" is probably his finest prank. His only probable regret is that he knew he couldn't see the mayhem he has caused this time.

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